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    Now FLIGHT is official, what do we think? I've banged on a bit throughout January about 'stop speculating', but now it's official, what do you think? Most people had a say on a thread called 'It's Finally Arrived and It's Official - Release Date Feb. 29th' before it was closed

    Here's what I think:We really should have expected this. From the moment ACES closed, hopes should never have been raised. I'm not going to say anything aboiut 3-year-olds, I'm just saying it isn't MS's fault your expectations weren't met. At least this might attract a new crowd, FSX/9/8 etc aren't going to stop working, rather than being so angry we can just ignore this slip-up and continue as pre-2010

    I will give it a try, but admittedly we all accept it isn't a flight simulator


    I will come out to wave of disapproval and tell you the truth of what this is to me: I think this looks fun. The word, was FUN. That is different to REALISTIC or A SIMULATOR. I think the anger is over the name and MS's opinion that it was 'built on the legacy of MSFS'. I think this made us all think they didn't know what the legacy was, OK it looks like they didn't but think about it: if it was called MS Fun2Fly! of Fly4Fun!, would we be angry? I don't think so. Nowadays, things sound cool by being known with a single word, it's catchy: FLIGHT. Other examples, OK you won't have heard of this if you don't live in the UK but it's the best one I can think of right now: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b018ttws Classical examples are singers, MADONNA or BEYONCE. Perhaps a better name would have been FLY!, but this sounds similar to the French FS of 2000s so that would attract more disapproval. I say better because it sounds less like MSFS.

    But back to the FUN, I used this analogy before in a different argument but MARIOKART is fun: it isn't realistic. No-one pretends it is, so there is no controversy or criticism.

    OK, so you might say I am the target audience for FLIGHT, I'm not worthy of FSX and I should go back to mariokart and aerocaches. If your opinion of me won't be moved, then fine see this as the opnion of the target arena but I'll tell you what I use FSX for. My favourite addons are RealAir: awesome modelling/visuals, incredible flight dynamics, REALISTIC but SIMPLE (realistically). I am 14, I hope one day to move to complex addons like PMDG and the SimCheck A300 which I already own but don't exploit fully. I think my main gripe is PC performance. But if FLIGHTs performance is OK and so are the flight dynamics (the visuals definitely look great already,) it might become viable in my opinion for circuits and the like. And I'll admit, I would end up going on an aerocache hunt every now and then. But think about the FSX missions and tutorials, flying through coloured hoops? No-one says that makes FSX a terrible sim/game.

    I heard on one thread 'collecting aerocaches and shit like that...', if that's the opinion of you 'fellow' simmers then, all cynical and high and mighty, too grand to mix with the crowd, perhaps this is a wake-up call. On aonther thread: 'If I can't fly my 747 from JFK to Narita...'; tell someone in the street you spend 12 hours a day watching a cockpit that doesn't exist and they'll probably think you're deranged. Even I find it hard to justify spending two hours a day to my friends, or £20 a month to my parents. Really, no offence but when one reads these forums, you can wonder what drives you people: of course, I understand it but it does seem like you're out of touch with reality.

    When FLIGHT's 'doom' was announced at the beginning of January, I was angry (mainly because I prctically worshipped the forums then, an astounded onlooker marvelling at the wit and wisdom exchanged), not (I hope) as angry as the youTube crowd (but there's no change there, I mean when are youtubers not angry?) and I criticised MS like most still are. But now I like to think I've sobered up, definition 2 (after exiting drunkeness) is in the dictionary 'to become more realistic'. At the beginning, I was angry that MS had seemingly abandoned generations of 'simmers' who MS should be catering for the every needs of because flying a PMDG makes you so very very dedicated (to MS). I even criticised someone ('torkermax', I believe it was) for suggesting that the angry simmers/youtubers were a 'voicetrous minority' who MS had no obligation to cater to: but now that is what I believe.

    And now for something completely different: I think the choices of aircraft for FLIGHT are interesting. The first plane shown, I think in that first preview clip we all remember so well, was the Boeing Stearmann which I think pretty much sums up the Golden Age of Flight, so is a prime choice. The Vans RV and Maule are little known but are very (physically) light aircraft so fitting the theme of FLIGHT, it's adventures, vastness, the sheer joy and wonder at a metal bathtub with a glass top half light than a car flying, mankind's greatest dream. I think that is the spirit of MS FLIGHT.

    I want to be clear: I might have seemed like I did, but I don't think FLIGHT is the 'best way forward for the franchise'. The franchise died in 2009 with ACES. It is over. FLIGHT is, and was from the moment of conception, something ELSE. The anger being vented now should directed at the closure of ACES, not this bad turn for the 'franchise' which doesn't exist anymore.

    Lastly, in relation mainly to paragraph 5 (ignoring the single line sentances), read the comments at the bottom of this page (I'm sorry, I know I've posted this link so many times but I don't know if anyone ever follows it): http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/7902468.stm
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    I enjoy Pilot Wings so much that a couple of years ago I picked up a used nintendo 64 and bought a pricey cartridge just to play that one game. It was designed by a rock star in the video game world and is well thought out- the fun:challenge ratio was perfect. The challenges changed pace at the right time, and the bonus levels, like being shot out of a cannon or the zen like play of birdman, were genius and haven't been duplicated by anything else (however, I am certain that the designers for the FS missions, especially the beginner ones, had to be familiar with Pilot Wings). The detail and thought that went into Pilot Wings is par for the course of what built the Nintendo empire.

    So Im assuming I could also enjoy Flight, but I also can't imagine the game play living up to the standards that the 16 year old Pilot Wings has established for me.

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    I am glad that Flight turned out the way it is. Sorry guys. But it just makes my decision of sticking with FSX easier as so much money has been sunk into it and I don't want to waste it.

    If Flight would have been the full fledge FSX successor, I would be very tempted to jump over and rebuild the add-on collection (as they come). More money spent that way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jomni View Post
    I am glad that Flight turned out the way it is. Sorry guys. But it just makes my decision of sticking with FSX easier as so much money has been sunk into it and I don't want to waste it.

    If Flight would have been the full fledge FSX successor, I would be very tempted to jump over and rebuild the add-on collection (as they come). More money spent that way.
    I see your point, but I don't think we would have seen an immediate migration of everyone over to Flight (if it was really FS11) anyway. It's going to take years for (the theoretical) FS11 to build an addon market you are used to. By then, you will have a new pc, and will likely be ready for the leap in technology. If not, at least all of the FSX addons will likely be cheaper by then!

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    My question is...can we trust them??? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-bzWSJG93P8



    (I'm being humerous! )
    Last edited by angels355; 02-09-2012 at 12:28 AM.
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    I'm going to answer to your question (about posts getting edited, deleted or topics closed) even if i'm going to get banned...this website has a very interesting reputation: it's being administrated by dictators lol. ask any normal guy on any flight sim website. why do you think there are groups of members who stick only to 1 or 2 threads? start writing in a thread for your first time and you'll be threaded like a stupid outsider. i'm pretty sure that the moderators that we/they are talking about are aware of this thing (not all moderators are like dictators, just some of them). basically everything that get's them out of their comfort zone (in their mind) get's deleted. for example: there is no joking because if you say that you'll trow your pc out the window, people will actually believe you, you have to take this game very serious ("why are you flying with the fuel consumption thing off, you're crazy, it's unrealistic"...relax dude, it's just a game and i can do what ever i want with it), you can't use "bad" words that 5 year old kids are using because it's a family forum and stuff like that.

    i hate the kind of people who take advantage and abuse people just because of their status. i don't care about your status, if you're the administrator of a website and i think that you're an idiot, you'll hear that from me. i'm not going to hide behind a rock and kiss your behind (can't say a$$ here, you'll get spanked and won't be allowed to watch TV for 2 days)

    so if you want to feel like you're 2 years old again with a lot of rules to follow, very limited freedom and living your "life" on this forum by their rules (not being able to do things the way you want to), join flight sim.


    PS - i know that nobody will take my words because my status is "Junior Member", that means you're stupid and don't know what you're talking about, but i run a website (weirdly, dedicated to flight sim add-ons) with over 2000 members and the only rules are "don't spam, don't advertise and don't insult other members". you can have your own opinion about stuff without your post getting edited, talk however you want and do things the way you want to...the result : people are very happy and feel like they're part of a family and things are extremely well organized. all this things without me having to act like a control freak

    go ahead moderators, delete this post, know the truth hurts, especially when people discover the truth
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    About the only reason I can see that the previous post might get deleted is that it is off topic. Not really sure what you are going on about there...

    Just one point...It's a lot easier to have a more open forum on a small web site than on a big one. On a small site you're dealing with far fewer (and thus fewer problem) people. On a site as wide open as this one we get the whole world of flightsimmers--the good and the bad. As a result we sometimes have to come down on the bad to try and keep the forums at least somewhat civil.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nels_Anderson View Post
    About the only reason I can see that the previous post might get deleted is that it is off topic. Not really sure what you are going on about there...

    Just one point...It's a lot easier to have a more open forum on a small web site than on a big one. On a small site you're dealing with far fewer (and thus fewer problem) people. On a site as wide open as this one we get the whole world of flightsimmers--the good and the bad. As a result we sometimes have to come down on the bad to try and keep the forums at least somewhat civil.
    Then you might want to check out what some of your moderators are doing. you might also want to start with JSkorna since he's considered by 90% of your members worst then Stalin. He's the one 24/7 online deleting almost everything.

    I have 2 questions for you because i'm sure you're a down to earth person

    1. does it seem right to you that everybody takes almost everything personal, you can't joke and people will go crazy if you say for example "i did a barrel roll in a 747" ?

    2. does it seem right to you that people "live in fear" on this forum. They always wonder "will i get banned because moderators don't share the same opinion as me, will i get insulted because i don't have 1 billion posts, will i get penalized for posting an image 2mm larger, not starting a sentence with a capital letter or for not wearing a pink t-shirt"...

    Just keep in mind some things, a lot of people do say that the moderators are like dictators. a lot of members told me not to argue with the moderators about their exaggerated way to make order because they are (and i quote) "just some control freaks"

    do you think i don't have all kind of people on my website? but that doesn't mean that i have to act like a jail administrator and don't even allow people to talk about what they want to or how they want to.

    I hope you won't think i'm a retarded kid who doesn't have anything better to do then complaining about stuff that doesn't happen. people don't have the courage to complain about this things because they are afraid of getting banned. so it's up to you if you're going to at least try and see if what i said is true or not.

    Kind regards sir

    PS - sorry for the off topic
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    I'm going to answer to your question (about posts getting edited, deleted or topics closed) even if i'm going to get banned...this website has a very interesting reputation: it's being administrated by dictators lol. ask any normal guy on any flight sim website.
    I'm an active member at 3 FS related sites and peruse a half dozen more, daily. I've never seen a post or comment that fs.com is dictatorial or in any way unfair.
    Though I sometimes do wonder why a thread is locked, or edited, I spend most of my Forum time here because it is the most friendly, and informative, of them all.

    This is not a gaming forum, chat room, or place to expound on your girlfriend's virtues. Wander off topic, get rude...get edited. Continue with rude behavior...Say Goodbye.
    Rude and Obnoxious behavior, Politics, Religion, and consistently off topic discussion isn't tolerated. I wouldn't have it any other way.
    Bashers, troublemakers, and folks that purposely give out false information have no business on a serious, down to earth site.

    Have a question or need help? Most folks here provide courteous and sometimes windy explanations to be sure you get your answer. That's what brought and keeps me here.
    I rarely see a RTFM reply(pointing out that an included user manual is not a RTFM reply), we don't exemplify that mentality.

    Just keep in mind some things, a lot of people do say that the moderators are like dictators. a lot of members told me not to argue with the moderators about their exaggerated way to make order because they are (and i quote) "just some control freaks"
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