To all FS2004, 2002 USERS who refused to purchase FSX!.yet now complain about FLIGHT!

[csefton]

I remember when FSX came out.....just like all the other versions of the sim i soon took the plunge and purchased the thing!.....but hell it just wouldn't run smooth on my pc...so i soon upgraded my pc(always do about every 4yrs!) and messed about with it, went online..forum after forum, still was pretty rubbish until the sp patches arrived, then with a few more cfg tweaks i was then able to see the improvements and benefits of this upgraded engine!!!.....of course many issues and blatant faults still remained and in some cases seemed worse...but overall FSX was a much better sim than FS9....and the point was I TOOK the plunge and gave it a shot!..i got my wallet out and supported Microsoft were it mattered!!...not just PMDG,aerosoft, Capt sim or all the other 3rd party add-on brigade that charge often MORE for one aircraft or scenery than the whole of FSX!!.....

FSX's major downfall was its poorly optimised code and heavy pc requirements and of course having to follow the great example of fs9!..this meant many disgruntled FS9 users stayed with their happy and SAFE! FS9 after reading the reviews or trying the demo....... many of whom even jumped on the forum bandwagons of bad mouthing and deriding FSX at every opportunity!....trust me i remember reading them all!....some STILL do it today!...crazy deluded ideology...fine stick with your fs9..yes it WAS a great sim but FSX is FAR BETTER!......maybe the ironic thing about FS9 was it was far too successful for its own good!...

Even today we still have the fs9 brigade and their obstinate stance on avoiding the upgrade to FSX...STILL preferring to stay with fs9 eh!.....some users are either living in severe poverty (for years it seems!) and cant afford an upgrade to their pc's or just dont want to bother upgrading to FSX for whatever reasons, many fs9 users i remember even said they were going to skip FSX altogether and WAIT until fs11.......

I will never understand why flight simulation enthusiasts prefer their older sims!....hell some still prefer fs2000 or fs98!......yes they are flight simmers...but THEY ARE NOT HELPING THE PROGRESS OR SUPPORTING THE FUTURE OF MS FLIGHT SIMULATOR!..they are DEAD weight...old fuddy duddys stuck in the past, refusing to progress or support future incarnations of this great franchise yet very active in the world of forums, add-ons freeware or payware etc..yet refuse to update their sim version or support Microsoft and spend money to help the franchise develop and continue...... WHY??..when the option exists of flying in the amazing real ORBX FSX world that FAR exceeds any dated fs2002, fs9 world!....all i can say is you ahve all shot yourselves in the foot....talk about cut your nose off to spite your face!...


Anyway...the downside of all this today is MICROSOFT do NOT wish to suffer yet ANOTHER financial failure with one of their FSIM releases solely for the demanding and complaining pc market!........I could GUARANTEE there would STILL be loads of stick in the mud die hard fs9 users that would avoid FS11 even though they may claim otherwise!....the very fact there are still a huge number of fs9 users here who STILL maintain they don't like FSX or cant see the benefits or have too many old fs9 add-ons to loose if they upgrade blah blah blah PROVES THAT!!....

FINE stay with your old and comfortable world!...leave FSX alone....dont support it!......BUT DON'T expect MICROSOFT after such POOR sales figures on FSX to carry on trying to please YOU! all with yet ANOTHER dedicated pc flight sim that half of you would of prob avoided anyway!!!...

IN fact i would go as far to say that ANYONE who didn't support MICROSOFT with a purchase of FSX has NO place in these forums complaining about Microsoft FLIGHT!

IN fact its prob BECAUSE of YOU die hard FS9 users that refused to 'purchase' FSX that FS11 was prob cancelled anyway!...yet how many of those same fs9 only simmers are here NOW complaining and having a go at Microsoft for their new inevitable pay as you go console marketed Microsoft FLIGHT?



In the end I think most users for FLIGHT will eventually and undoubtedly be from the xbox crowd....Worldwide sales figures for the xbox 360 alone are already at 57.6 million!....only a fraction of that need to succumb to Microsoft's sales marketing plan and FLIGHT will easily achieve its objectives....the VERY FACT Microsoft shut down ACES and then had the arrogant cheek to say they included many of them of the FLIGHT dev team shows just how perfidious Microsoft can be......but we ALREADY KNEW THAT...this is and always was about MONEY..ive said it befoire as rich and as greedy as Microsoft are they are NOT a charity!...we have to wake up and realise they DONT care about pc users anymore for games!...we represent a dwindling sales market for games and Flight sims were already becoming a niche market anyway...the failure of FSX on the pc market and refusal by fs9 users to upgrade was i fear the final nail in the MS flight SIMULATOR coffin lid!....so all you FS9 USERS OR ( FS2002, fs2000...fs98 !!!?????) users CAN BLAME YOURSELVES for not SUPPORTING FSX when it was released!....its no good now complaining about FLIGHT being a console focused cut down pay as you go no SDK ETC game for the mass (ie xbox!) market....oh the irony of all this!

[raimondo2]

the simulator as we knew died after the bashing of fsx - very true !
The risks of not supporting - and bashing the aces where clearly explained in forums - that bashing the project was very dangerous and could results in catastrophic consequences for the franchise - now the concerns have become reality !

[Firekitten]

A little bluntly put, but it does hold some truths. Admittedly, I had only dabbled in fs addons (freeware) till x, and hadn't the financial investment, but as a lot of fs 2004 users do... its somewhat understandable, but in 6 years, one might have expected them to begin to move over... the attitudes I think, contributed to a lot snubbing x. It was seen as a 'flop' to be avoided, yet with moving technology, and addon quality, they missed the boat in my view.

Could it have contributed to the lack of fs11? maybe, maybe not. We will never know, but I do think an element of the house with the golden windows is to blame... users see something coming... expect miracles, or expect something entirely unattainable... and in doing so, miss what they could have.

FSX is a whole different beast to 9 in quality, and depth, yes it requires a bigger pc, or laptop (yes, my laptop does run fsx and its an off the shelf compaq) considering the minimum and recommended specs for flight, I was somewhat confused as to how fs9 users that claimed fsx was too resource hungry for their pc, could expect the quality they perceived, on their technology... I see fs9 users on the forum, stalwart fsx snubbing users, with specs in their sigs that would run x gorgeously... *shrug* their own decision.

[fxsttcb]

......MICROSOFT after such POOR sales figures....

Huh?! Where have you been hiding? After demand exceeded their supply, MS had to complete another production run to meet the clamor for FSX/FSX Gold. The shelves were bare for over two months while they scrambled to catch up.
Now, the stocks are beginning to dry up again. Poor sales figures?...Don

[Paxx]

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Now, the stocks are beginning to dry up again. Poor sales figures?...Don

Na, they probably just forgot to maintain their supply channel, kind of like how MSFlight forgot to continue the FS Series in the traditional matter. It happens.

[ViperPilot2]

So... the failure of FSX is due to "the failure of FS 9 users to upgrade", huh? Yeah, right.

Are YOU going to purchase a rig for me to run FSX the way I WANT IT TO OPERATE? Are you going to cough up the funds in order for me to enjoy PNW, CRM, and do the type of flying I WANT to do?

I thought so.

To be blunt... don't start making this issue a childish rant about FSXer's vs. FS 9er's. Microsoft is designing and marketing Flight based on the audience and demographics they want to attract, and that demographic isn't US.

In the grand scheme of the Gaming Universe, we don't even make a dent. Want an example? Here's one...

The WORLDWIDE sales for Flight Simulator X ranges approximately around 1 million units since 2006 when it was first released. To put this in comparison:

WoW: 5 Million units
The Sims: 16 Million units
Battlefield 2: 4.5 Million units
DOOM: 1.1 Million units
Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego?: 4.5 million units

So, the FS community ends up being a small whisper in the grand opera of Gaming (contrary to the popular and arrogant belief that the entire Universe revolves around US).

So Microsoft did not release a product that meets everyone's needs.

GET OVER IT!

If you don't like it, don't use it. Don't buy add on's for it (when and if they become available).

Oh, and BTW... you can step off your zircon encrusted FSX bidet you sit on, and come on down to where reality is located... where folks try and ENJOY Flight Simulaton, regardless of what version they're using.

[shaungibson]

I have to agree with viperpilot2, we are a small yet magnificent crew in a great simulation world, i have always been for FSX regardless of Performance, my PC is a slow one but i compromise with it just to make it flyable. The point being wether we use Flight or not, the flightsim world wont die, we'll either stick with our current MSFS 9 or X or move on to X-plane etc, too many people see us as their world such as Captainsim, PMDG, AOA etc, without us they would be screwed, okay microsoft might not focus on the simulation aspects no more but others will

[Firekitten]

viperpilot2: Why should someone buy you a full fsx rig? hypothetical or not, that post came over as whiny, and frankly irrelevant.

[csefton]

So... the failure of FSX is due to "the failure of FS 9 users to upgrade", huh? Yeah, right.

Are YOU going to purchase a rig for me to run FSX the way I WANT IT TO OPERATE? Are you going to cough up the funds in order for me to enjoy PNW, CRM, and do the type of flying I WANT to do?

I thought so.

To be blunt... don't start making this issue a childish rant about FSXer's vs. FS 9er's. Microsoft is designing and marketing Flight based on the audience and demographics they want to attract, and that demographic isn't US.

In the grand scheme of the Gaming Universe, we don't even make a dent. Want an example? Here's one...

The WORLDWIDE sales for Flight Simulator X ranges approximately around 1 million units since 2006 when it was first released. To put this in comparison:

WoW: 5 Million units
The Sims: 16 Million units
Battlefield 2: 4.5 Million units
DOOM: 1.1 Million units
Where in the World is Carmen Sandiego?: 4.5 million units

So, the FS community ends up being a small whisper in the grand opera of Gaming (contrary to the popular and arrogant belief that the entire Universe revolves around US).

So Microsoft did not release a product that meets everyone's needs.

GET OVER IT!

If you don't like it, don't use it. Don't buy add on's for it (when and if they become available).

Oh, and BTW... you can step off your zircon encrusted FSX bidet you sit on, and come on down to where reality is located... where folks try and ENJOY Flight Simulaton, regardless of what version they're using.

Lol..MAYBE YOU NEED to do MORE research!!! ......yes FSX only sold an estimated 1 million copies...but this was less than a quarter of what FS2004 a century of flight achieved! in fact if you look at the Guinness book of records you will even see that up to 1999 that 21 million copies were sold for the whole franchise before FSX even appeared!.......... according to Guinness World Records: "MS Flight Simulator was released by Microsoft in April 1982 and had sold a total of 21 million units by June 1999!...that's before the HUGELY successful fs2004 which outsold fsx at least 4-1....and when you consider the development costs alone for FSX where probably triple that for fs2004! its no wonder Microsoft did NOT want to invest more money trying to please a pitiful die hard crowd of Persistent FS9 users!...as for your comments on my post being a childish rant, i have both sims and found fs9 an excellent sim...but i also believe in upgrading and supporting the whole Microsoft fsim franchise!!..... obviously unlike millions of FS2004 users who over the years could only offer moaning and REAL childish rants!

Oh if you cant afford a new rig pity for you!.... ..you prob spent more on fs2004 add-ons than a new i7 based pc costs today anyway!...i find it PATHETIC and sad that fs9 users are still moaning about tehy cant afford a new pc rig!..hey GET OVER IT! .. in case you Havant noticed pc's everywhere have MOVED on today, its NOT just FSX that requires a new rig!...life goes on and people need to upgrade things, cars, tv's, fridge freezers..the list is endless..if you cant afford to keep up with the pc world thats your prob...not mine!.....GET OVER IT!.....if you STILL prefer to use the age old argument that you cant afford a new rig then maybe you would be better off sticking to your xbox! pc's since i can remeber involve a constant upgrading to keep pace with new advancements in software!......anyway in real terms pc's are far cheaper than the ones needed to run fs98!...even a little ram back then cost a small fortune!..
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I realise many fs9 users will comment negatively on my thread but i expected that anyway....after all they did the same constantly moaning and winging about FSX when it was released!...

My whole point here is..... FSX was the turning point for Microsoft.....poor relative sales compared to previous versions and masses of negative feedback over FSX sealed the lid shut for any future FS11,12 etc...... compare the negative feedback and poor sales with FSX to the huge often positive, successful and well fed lucrative 3rd part add-on market its easy to see whey Microsoft went the way they did with FLIGHT!....yes...i said it once and i will say it again...3 quarters of FS2004 USERS FAILED TO purchase and upgrade to FSX...so GO BACK TO YOUR BELOVED FS9!....who knows what Microsoft would of done if they had sold 5million units of FSX instead of 1?......

As for my zircon encrusted FSX bidet yes its NICE AND COMFY THANKS and so is MY enjoyment of flight simulation, WHICH by virtue of FSX, Orbx, rex etc etc is prob a magnitude of ..oh at least 3x better than anything fs9 has to offer...maybe your FS9 fogged Ray Ban Sunglasses need a bit of a polish to let you SEE where REALITY is really located at...it aint FS9!

[fxsttcb]

...The WORLDWIDE sales for Flight Simulator X ranges approximately around 1 million units since 2006 when it was first released...

You didn't read the whole article or references.

...the venerable Flight Simulator PC franchise. 2006's Flight Simulator X for the PC has sold more than 1 million units through December(*2008*) in the US, according to the NPD Group, making it far from an unsuccessful outing.

That was also before the latest production run. Wiki's reference data is OLD, all of it, for all of the titles mentioned.
The (*2008*) date is my inclusion from the reference article. Seeing as it's US release was October 2006, a million US copies in 14 months ain't too shabby.

I'm also pretty sure that the "venerable" Flight Simulator franchise, as a whole, has fared quite well for MS.
"Flight Simulator" actually pre-dates the PC. Is there another PC game, still offered, that can claim the same?

Like I've stated previously, I will download Flight, and if sufficiently impressed I may purchase additional content.

Meanwhile some big software house is bound to see that a true, hi-fi, PC simulator, with 3rd party content capability, has long range financial merit.
Come Ivy Bridge-E, I may not see a need for anything beyond FSX anyhow...Don