Somewhat Disturbed on This in the "Fact Sheet"

[ricardo_NY1]

I've heard said a few times on forums that this is like the FSX demo, but Microsoft are calling this the full product, just without addons. I feel a bit cheated they haven't even included the whole Hawaiian chain: surely it is not realistic to not be able to see or visit any of the other islands from 'Big Island' such as Maui (30 miles away)?

For those who haven't seen it, the final nail in the coffin, the announcement of no third-party addons:
http://flyawaysimulation.com/news/43...osoft-studios/

'There will be no user development kit and hence no user created content'

No SDK? Wow! Long live FSX! The last of the MSFS series. I am officially declaring a new found ambition to invest in a very OC'able CPU and getting FSX to run as best as it can. There goes my excitement over Flight. MS...........you killed the title! Let's see how well your marketplace goes.............I have a small prediction........unless you hire the people over at Carenado, Flytampa, FSDreamteam, Wilco, Captainsim, OrbX, etc.......you are toast!

Nels.......MS is out of their mind if they think we need another free demo to entice people to buy FSX. Bottom line is, you really can't drag people into flight simulation. People find their way into it. It is what it is as far as I know......some things no matter how good they are will not make financial sense, and if that is the case, so be it. But this is not a stunt that is going to pan out. I think MS will lose it's base as soon as people discover how restrictive and pretty much lame it will be without an SDK. Add-ons both freeware and payware are what created excitement throughout all of these past versions......that's what the cult following has always been about since we first had the ability to create our own aircraft and scenery back in the FS4 days. Take this charm away and it's all history. I think MS dropped the ball in not respecting the fundamental success behind MSFS, and that has always been development by the community. It's not the biggest deal after all........FS9 and FSX are still here and development will continue for them. That I am certain about. Boy was I wrong arguing here about MS getting involved in add-ons! I didn't see the no SDK deal coming however.

[benEggleston16]

unless you hire the people over at Carenado, Flytampa, FSDreamteam, Wilco, Captainsim, OrbX, etc.......you are toast!

Absolutely true, FLIGHT will never replace FSX, just make it look even better!
Or as Nels sees it, a steeping-stone
Microsoft have hardly succeeded in advancing the Flight Sim franchise if what is viewed as taking a step forward is actually taking a step back
The only way it'll entice me is if the frame rates are double FSX and really what are the chances of that...

[ricardo_NY1]

Absolutely true, FLIGHT will never replace FSX, just make it look even better!
Or as Nels sees it, a steeping-stone
Microsoft have hardly succeeded in advancing the Flight Sim franchise if what is viewed as taking a step forward is actually taking a step back
The only way it'll entice me is if the frame rates are double FSX and really what are the chances of that...

Maybe it's just me, but I am having a very difficult time convincing myself that MS has people with the ability to produce anything close to the caliber of what we have seen with the add-on community, payware and even freeware. It takes specialization to do what some of those aircraft and scenery guys do. I cannot imagine them entertaining the cadre of staff they would need to reproduce the quality or selection of add-ons that have existed for most given versions. They wire up audio equipment to aircraft, etc, but are they ready to deal with the things we've seen from the big names in payware? No SDK means Project Magenta will not work. Are they going to open up the Boeing and Airbus manuals and reproduce that software faithfully? It's a long shot. This is a long topic, but in short, MS cannot in my opinion replace the add-on market in any way on its own or satisfy the quality that we have enjoyed. And if they were to pursue any of it, they are going to have their hands really full considering what is out there for FSX. It will probably be cheaper to spend your last dollar on a top computer build than chase Flight. I'm not totally disappointed by what I am reading......Flight never looked that much better than FSX. I welcomed it simply because I thought it would be an optimized FSX ready to take advantage of the CPU's as they are today. A mountain of autogen and some choice screenshots never fooled me in that aspect.

[djadlib]

As long as there is no passenger jet in the likes of PMDG or CaptainSim and I can't take of from, let's say, an Aerosoft MAP AmsterdamX or UK2000 Heathrow "real world" airport, and fly over a beautiful fotoscenery like NL2000 (all 3rd party, and that's impossible with this new arcade thingy), I can't be bothered.

...from the link in post #23: "

"Goldrush is a challenge that can be played on Live as well as offline. The objective is to collect as many of the gold items as you can before the time runs out"
Read more: http://flyawaysimulation.com/news/43...osoft-studios/

Might as well play MarioWorld if I want to chase Gold coins in the sky

[Flyfalcons]

Has anyone noticed that all the planes seem to be VFR only?

Didn't notice that because it's not true. So far from what's been shown, the Maule and RV-6 have IFR panels.

[Ragtopjohnny]

As long as there is no passenger jet in the likes of PMDG or CaptainSim and I can't take of from, let's say, an Aerosoft MAP AmsterdamX or UK2000 Heathrow "real world" airport, and fly over a beautiful fotoscenery like NL2000 (all 3rd party, and that's impossible with this new arcade thingy), I can't be bothered.

...from the link in post #23: "

"Goldrush is a challenge that can be played on Live as well as offline. The objective is to collect as many of the gold items as you can before the time runs out"
Read more: http://flyawaysimulation.com/news/43...osoft-studios/

Might as well play MarioWorld if I want to chase Gold coins in the sky

I thought the same thing. How childish can they get? It's really sad what they're coming out with here, and I'm surprised they're doing this still.

John Thuot II

[jomni]

Ok here's a more troubling thought. If we think FSX is dead, what if Microsoft one day shuts off their validation servers and we can't install our FSX anymore to force us to move on to Flight.

Also if buying add-ons relies on LIVE (which may be free or on a subscription basis) then it will kill FSPilotShot, SimMarket, Flight1, etc.

We are doomed! We just hope they at least keep the satus quo with regards to FSX (keep it as an active product).
Or esle I see a whole bunch of people and add-on developers move to X-plane.

[joejam2]

I'm hoping about 6 months after FLIGHT's release they will realize that they need to bring FSXI to life and will start working on it.

[holmese]

I'm hoping about 6 months after FLIGHT's release they will realize that they need to bring FSXI to life and will start working on it.

I'd like to think you may be right, but I'd bet a dime to a Dollar, that there will not be another Flight Simulator product from MS anyway, - like FSXI - for a long time. - If ever !
I think MS have made the change - and they ain't going back.
It's possible some other Software developer might step up to the plate, and resurrect something like FSXI, - I doubt it , but then you can never say never. - Life is full of surprises.

[benEggleston16]

We're going to be seeing newcomers arrive as a result of this new sim.

I think what somone said about you fall/find out about FS yourself, if you are that sort of person or just an aviation enthusiast, if you went into a (video) Game store and said 'Who wants to play a game where you fly around an island in an ugly plane that looks like a car outside and a boat inside, you can collect gold coins and well, that's it. No shooting, no airliners, no learning curve, you are supposed to use a mouse' I don't think you'd get much of a following.

I admit I am excited about this game but that's probably just because it's free. It will not replace FSX.