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Thread: Help: I want to make my Overland A300 fly at a faster speed at 31,000 feet in FS9?

  1. Default Help: I want to make my Overland A300 fly at a faster speed at 31,000 feet in FS9?

    Hello, I am a Flight Simulator 2004 pilot who flies the Overland A300 ocassionaly. I have been noticing that the Overland A300 flies at 359 knots, which I think it is a little too slow for a large jet to fly. I normally would fly a jet in FS9 at 455 knots at about 30,000-31,000 feet depending on distance.

    My Qualitywings 757 flies at 460 knots at 31,000 feet, which is good.

    What can I do to modify this plane's cruise speed to fly faster at 31,000 feet?


    Update: with the throttles at 100%, the Overland A300 flies at 359 knots at 31,000 feet.

    Do I have to modify the Aircraft.cfg or the FDE of this airplane so it can fly faster at 31,000 feet?

    Here is a copy of the Aircraft.cfg file from my Overland A300-600R:
    [fltsim.0]
    title=A300B4-605R American Airlines N14053
    sim=A300-600R
    model = GE_VC
    panel =
    sound =
    texture = AAL N14053 AMERICAN
    atc_airline = AMERICAN
    atc_flight_number = 0
    checklists =
    atc_id = N14053
    atc_heavy = 1
    atc_parking_code = AAL
    atc_parking_types = GATE, RAMP
    description=Overland Co.,Ltd. Products --- Airbus A300-600R\n\nL1 Cabin Door [Shift+E] then [1]\nL2 Cabin Door Wing Fold/Extend\nCargo Door Operate with Door Display Gauge\nL3/R3 Cabin Door Tailhook Extend/Retruct
    ui_createdby = "Simmer's Sky"
    ui_manufacturer = Airbus
    ui_type = A300B4-605R
    ui_variation = American Airlines N14053
    visual_damage = 1
    editable = 0


    [General]
    visual_damage=0 // 0=off, 1=on
    atc_type=AIRBUS
    atc_model=A306
    editable=0
    performance=Cruise Speed\t472kt\nMaximum Range\t3,600 nm\nService Ceiling\t32,400 ft\nMax Takeoff Weight\t375,855 lb\nSeating\t\t266 to 361\nCargo Capacity\t22 LD3 containers\n
    Category=airplane


    [WEIGHT_AND_BALANCE]
    max_gross_weight=375855 // (pounds)
    empty_weight=200700 // (pounds)

    reference_datum_position=0, 0, -5 // (feet) distance from FlightSim Reference position: (1/4 chord, centerline, waterline)
    empty_weight_CG_position=0, 0, 0 // (feet) longitudinal, lateral, vertical distance from specified datum

    max_number_of_stations=20

    //Weight (lbs), longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum (feet)

    station_load.0 = "170.0, -77.0, -2.0, 0.0, Pilot"
    station_load.1 = "170.0, -77.0, 2.0, 0.0, Co-Pilot"
    station_load.2 = "1360.0, -43.5, 0.0, 0.0, Crew"
    station_load.3 = "5950.0, -52.7, 0.0, 0.0, Business Class"
    station_load.4 = "23800.0, -4.3, 0.0, 0.0, Coach 1-18"
    station_load.5 = "15470.0, 42.6, 0.0, 0.0, Coach 19-30"
    station_load.6 = "4000.0, -49.0, 0.0, -6.0, Forward Baggage"
    station_load.7 = "2000.0, 29.0, 0.0, -6.0, Aft Baggage"


    ;Moments of Inertia
    empty_weight_pitch_MOI=4100000
    empty_weight_roll_MOI =3200000
    empty_weight_yaw_MOI =3300000
    empty_weight_coupled_MOI=0.0
    empty_weight_coupled_MOI=0.0

    [flight_tuning]
    cruise_lift_scalar =1.000
    parasite_drag_scalar =0.750
    induced_drag_scalar =0.950
    elevator_effectiveness =1.000
    aileron_effectiveness =1.000
    rudder_effectiveness =1.000
    pitch_stability =1.500
    roll_stability =1.000
    yaw_stability =1.000
    elevator_trim_effectiveness =1.000
    aileron_trim_effectiveness =1.000
    rudder_trim_effectiveness =1.000


    [GeneralEngineData]
    engine_type=1 //0=Piston, 1=Jet, 2=None, 3=Helo-Turbine, 4=Rocket, 5=Turboprop
    Engine.0=12.1, -26.6, -7.0 //(feet) longitudinal, lateral, vertical distance from reference datum
    Engine.1=12.1, 26.6, -7.0 //(feet) longitudinal, lateral, vertical distance from reference datum
    fuel_flow_scalar=0.624 //Scalar for fuel flow efficiency
    min_throttle_limit=-0.29000

    [TurbineEngineData]
    fuel_flow_gain=0.1 //Gain on fuel flow
    inlet_area=94.0 //Square Feet, engine nacelle inlet area
    rated_N2_rpm=11055.000 //RPM, second stage compressor rated value
    static_thrust=58000.000 //Lbs, max rated static thrust at Sea Level
    afterburner_available=0 //Afterburner available?
    reverser_available=1.000 //Thrust reverser available?

    [jet_engine]
    thrust_scalar=1.100

    [electrical]
    ;BusType, MaxAmpLoad, MinVoltage BusTypes:0=MainBus,1=AvionicsBus,2=BatteryBus,3=HotBatteryBus,4-7=Generator/AlternatorBus(1-4)
    flap_motor=0, 5 , 17.0
    gear_motor=0, 5 , 17.0
    autopilot=0, 5 , 17.0
    avionics_bus=0, 10, 17.0
    avionics=1, 5 , 17.0
    pitot_heat=0, 2 , 17.0
    additional_system=0, 20, 17.0
    marker_beacon=1, 2 , 17.0
    gear_warning=0, 2 , 17.0
    fuel_pump=0, 5 , 17.0
    starter1=0, 20, 17.0
    light_nav=0, 5 , 17.0
    light_beacon=0, 5 , 17.0
    light_landing=0, 5 , 17.0
    light_taxi=0, 5 , 17.0
    light_strobe=0, 5 , 17.0
    light_panel=0, 5 , 17.0

    //0 Class <0=none,1=wheel, 2=scrape, 3=float>
    //1 Longitudinal Position (feet)
    //2 Lateral Position (feet)
    //3 Vertical Position (feet)
    //4 Impact Damage Threshold (Feet Per Minute)
    //5 Brake Map (0=None, 1=Left, 2=Right)
    //6 Wheel Radius (feet)
    //7 Steer Angle (degrees)
    //8 Static Compression (feet) (0 if rigid)
    //9 Max/Static Compression Ratio
    //10 Damping Ratio (0=Undamped, 1=Critically Damped)
    //11 Extension Time (seconds)
    //12 Retraction Time (seconds)
    //13 Sound Type
    //14 Airspeed limit for retraction (KIAS)
    //15 Airspeed that gear gets damage at (KIAS)

    [contact_points]
    point.0=1, 59.42, 0.00, -13.97, 1181.1, 0, 2.220, 62.0, 0.35, 2.1, 0.8135,11.0,13.2, 0, 0.0, 0.0
    point.1=1, -5.50, -14.50, -14.91, 1574.8, 1, 2.520, 0.0, 1.11, 1.5, 0.7470, 7.1, 8.1, 2, 0.0, 0.0
    point.2=1, -5.50, 14.50, -14.91, 1574.8, 2, 2.520, 0.0, 1.11, 1.5, 0.7470, 7.1, 8.1, 3, 0.0, 0.0

    point.3=2, -14.17, -47.33, 0.00, 787.4, 0, 0.000, 0.0, 0.00, 0.0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0, 5, 0.0, 0.0
    point.4=2, -14.17, 47.33, 0.00, 787.4, 0, 0.000, 0.0, 0.00, 0.0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0, 6, 0.0, 0.0
    point.5=2, -73.33, 0.00, 2.50, 787.4, 0, 0.000, 0.0, 0.00, 0.0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0, 9, 0.0, 0.0
    point.6=2, 42.67, 0.00, -3.75, 787.4, 0, 0.000, 0.0, 0.00, 0.0, 0.0000, 0.0, 0.0, 4, 0.0, 0.0
    point.7= 5, -70.90, -15.250, -17.300, 1600, 0, 0.00, 50.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.00, 1.0, 1.2, 0, 0.0, 0.0
    point.8= 5,-400.90, 15.250, -17.300, 1600, 0, 0.00, 50.0, 0.0, 0.0, 1.00, 1.1, 1.5, 0, 0.0, 0.0

    static_pitch=-0.38
    static_cg_height=18.95
    gear_system_type=0

    [Views]
    eyepoint=73.75, -1.53, 4.65

    [flaps.0]
    type=1 // 1 - tail, 2 - lead
    span-outboard=0.2 // 0.0 .. 1.0
    extending-time=20 // seconds
    flaps-position.0=0 // degrees
    flaps-position.1=0 // degrees
    flaps-position.2=15 // degrees
    flaps-position.3=20 // degrees
    flaps-position.4=40 // degrees
    damaging-speed=260 // KIAS
    blowout-speed=300 // KIAS
    lift_scalar=0.55
    drag_scalar=0.55
    pitch_scalar=0.55
    system_type=1 //Hydraulic

    [flaps.1]
    type=1 // 1 - tail, 2 - lead
    span-outboard=0.8 // 0.0 .. 1.0
    extending-time=18 // seconds
    flaps-position.0=0 // degrees
    flaps-position.1=0 // degrees
    flaps-position.2=15 // degrees
    flaps-position.3=20 // degrees
    flaps-position.4=40 // degrees
    damaging-speed=260 // KIAS
    blowout-speed=300 // KIAS
    lift_scalar=0.35
    drag_scalar=0.35
    pitch_scalar=0.35
    system_type=1 //Hydraulic

    [flaps.2]
    type=2 // 1 - tail, 2 - lead
    span-outboard=0.8 // 0.0 .. 1.0
    extending-time=17 // seconds
    flaps-position.0=0 // degrees
    flaps-position.1=0.5 // degrees
    flaps-position.4=1.0 // degrees
    damaging-speed=260 // KIAS
    blowout-speed=300 // KIAS
    lift_scalar=0.05
    drag_scalar=0.05
    pitch_scalar=0.05
    system_type=1 //Hydraulic

    [Radios]
    // Radio Type=availiable, standby frequency, has glide slope
    Audio.1=1
    Com.1=1, 1
    Com.2=1, 1
    Nav.1=1, 1, 1
    Nav.2=1, 1, 0
    Adf.1=1
    Transponder.1=1
    Marker.1=1


    [direction_indicators]
    //1 Type: 0=None, 1=Vacuum Gyro, 2=Electric Gyro, 3=Electro-Mag Slaved Compass, 4=Slaved to another
    //2 Indicator number of slaving indicator if Type=4
    direction_indicator.0=3,0

    [LIGHTS]
    //Types: 1=beacon, 2=strobe, 3=navigation, 4=cockpit, 5=landing

    light.1 = 1, 11.30, 0.00, 11.20, fx_beaconb ,
    light.2 = 1, 11.30, 0.00, 11.20, fx_beaconb ,
    light.3 = 1, -29.56, 0.00, -7.90, fx_beaconh ,
    light.4 = 1, -29.56, 0.00, -7.90, fx_beaconh ,
    light.5 = 5, 58.76, 7.92, -2.70, fx_navwhi ,
    light.6 = 5, 58.76,-7.92, -2.70, fx_navwhi ,
    light.7 = 4, 72, 0, 5.0, fx_vclighth ,


    [EFFECTS]
    wake=fx_wake
    water=fx_spray
    dirt=fx_tchdrt
    concrete=fx_sparks
    touchdown=fx_tchdwn, 1

    [exits]
    number_of_exits=2
    exit_rate.0=0.4 ;Percent per second
    exit_rate.1=0.4 ;Percent per second

    [fuel]
    Center1 = 0.0, 0.0, -4.0, 4650.0, 3.0 //Longitudinal (feet), Lateral (feet), Vertical (feet), Usable(gallons), Unusable (gallons)
    LeftAux = 0.0, -35.0, 0.0, 1225.0, 3.0 //Longitudinal (feet), Lateral (feet), Vertical (feet), Usable(gallons), Unusable (gallons)
    RightAux = 0.0, 35.0, 0.0, 1225.0, 3.0 //Longitudinal (feet), Lateral (feet), Vertical (feet), Usable(gallons), Unusable (gallons)
    LeftMain = 0.0, -35.0, 0.0, 4640.0, 3.0 //Longitudinal (feet), Lateral (feet), Vertical (feet), Usable(gallons), Unusable (gallons)
    RightMain = 0.0, 35.0, 0.0, 4640.0, 3.0 //Longitudinal (feet), Lateral (feet), Vertical (feet), Usable(gallons), Unusable (gallons)
    Center2 = 0.0, 0.0, -4.0, 1625.0, 3.0 //Longitudinal (feet), Lateral (feet), Vertical (feet), Usable(gallons), Unusable (gallons)
    fuel_type = 2 //Fuel type: 1 = Avgas, 2 = JetA
    number_of_tank_selectors=1
    electric_pump=0

    [airplane_geometry]
    wing_area=2798.70 //Square feet
    wing_span=147.10 //Feet
    wing_root_chord=25.46 //28 Feet
    wing_dihedral=5.2 //Degrees
    wing_incidence=1.0 //Degrees
    wing_twist=0.5 //Degrees
    oswald_efficiency_factor=0.77 //Measure of lift effeciency of wing
    wing_winglets_flag=1 //Are winglets available?
    wing_sweep=28.0 //Degrees, wing leading edge
    wing_pos_apex_lon=22.5 //15 Feet, longitudinal distance from reference point, negative going aft
    wing_pos_apex_vert=0.0 //Feet, vertical distance from reference point, positive going up
    htail_area=756.9 //Square feet
    htail_span=54.23 //Feet
    htail_pos_lon=-69.33 //Feet, longitudinal distance from reference point, negative going aft
    htail_pos_vert=7.2 //Feet, vertical distance from reference point, positive going up
    htail_incidence=1.000 //Degrees
    htail_sweep=37.5 //Degrees, horizontal tail leading edge
    vtail_area=568.2 //Square feet
    vtail_span=20.9 //Feet, tip to body
    vtail_sweep=34.5 //Degrees, vertical tail leading edge
    vtail_pos_lon=-61.91 //Feet, longitudinal distance from reference point, negative going aft
    vtail_pos_vert=10.8 //Feet, vertical distance from reference point, positive going up
    elevator_area=115.2 //57 Square feet
    aileron_area=55.3 //25 Square feet
    rudder_area=192.55 //58 Square feet
    elevator_up_limit=20.0 //Degrees
    elevator_down_limit=20.0 //Degrees
    aileron_up_limit=20.0 //Degrees
    aileron_down_limit=20.0 //Degrees
    rudder_limit=30.0 //Degrees
    elevator_trim_limit=20.0 //Degrees
    spoiler_limit=75.0 //Degrees
    spoilerons_available=1 //Spoilerons Available?
    aileron_to_spoileron_gain=3 //Aileron to spoileron gain
    min_ailerons_for_spoilerons=10 //Degrees
    min_flaps_for_spoilerons=0 //Minimum flap handle position when spoilerons activate
    auto_spoiler_available=1
    spoiler_extension_time=2.000000
    positive_g_limit_flaps_up=4.000000
    positive_g_limit_flaps_down=3.000000
    negative_g_limit_flaps_up=-3.000000
    negative_g_limit_flaps_down=-2.000000

    [Reference Speeds]
    flaps_up_stall_speed=150.0 //Knots True (KTAS)
    full_flaps_stall_speed=120.0 //Knots True (KTAS)
    cruise_speed=610.0 //Knots True (KTAS)
    max_indicated_speed=600.000000
    max_mach=2.950000

    [autopilot]
    autopilot_available=1
    flight_director_available=1
    default_vertical_speed=1500.0
    autothrottle_available=1
    autothrottle_arming_required=1
    autothrottle_max_rpm=90
    autothrottle_takeoff_ga=1
    pitch_takeoff_ga=8;
    use_no_default_pitch = 1 // 0 = Default to current pitch mode, 1 = No default pitch mode.
    use_no_default_bank = 1 // 0 = Default to Wing Leveler mode, 1 = No default bank mode.
    default_pitch_mode=0
    default_bank_mode=0
    max_pitch=10.000000
    max_pitch_acceleration=1.000000
    max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt=2.000000
    max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt=1.500000
    max_pitch_velocity_lo_alt_breakpoint=20000.000000
    max_pitch_velocity_hi_alt_breakpoint=28000.000000
    max_bank=25.000000
    max_bank_acceleration=1.800000
    max_bank_velocity=3.000000
    max_throttle_rate=0.100000
    nav_proportional_control=9.000000
    nav_integrator_control=0.250000
    nav_derivative_control=0.000000
    nav_integrator_boundary=2.500000
    nav_derivative_boundary=0.000000
    gs_proportional_control=9.520000
    gs_integrator_control=0.260000
    gs_derivative_control=0.000000
    gs_integrator_boundary=0.700000
    gs_derivative_boundary=0.000000
    yaw_damper_gain=0.000000


    [forcefeedback]
    gear_bump_nose_magnitude=3000 ; 0 - 10000
    gear_bump_nose_direction=18000 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
    gear_bump_nose_duration=250000 ; in microseconds
    gear_bump_left_magnitude=2700 ; 0 - 10000
    gear_bump_left_direction=35500 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
    gear_bump_left_duration=250000 ; in microseconds
    gear_bump_right_magnitude=2700 ; 0 - 10000
    gear_bump_right_direction=00500 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
    gear_bump_right_duration=250000 ; in microseconds
    ground_bumps_magnitude1=1300 ; 0 - 10000
    ground_bumps_angle1=08900 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
    ground_bumps_intercept1=3.0
    ground_bumps_slope1=0.20
    ground_bumps_magnitude2=200 ; 0 - 10000
    ground_bumps_angle2=09100 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
    ground_bumps_intercept2=1.075
    ground_bumps_slope2=0.035
    crash_magnitude1=10000 ; 0 - 10000
    crash_direction1=01000 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
    crash_magnitude2=10000 ; 0 - 10000
    crash_direction2=9000 ; 0 - 35999 degrees
    crash_period2=75000 ; in microseconds
    crash_duration2=2500000 ; in microseconds

    [brakes]
    toe_brakes_scale=0.489926 ; brakes_scale 0 to none 1 to hard
    parking_brake=1
    auto_brakes=4

    [gear_warning_system]
    gear_warning_available=1
    pct_throttle_limit=0.099976
    flap_limit_power=25.496622
    flap_limit_idle=5.042029

    [hydraulic_system]
    electric_pumps=0
    engine_map=1,1,0,0
    normal_pressure=3000.000000

    [stall_warning]
    type=1
    stick_shaker=1

    [attitude_indicators]
    attitude_indicator.0=1

    [turn_indicators]
    turn_indicator.0=1,0

    [folding_wings]
    wing_fold_system_type=4 ;0=None
    fold_rates=0.12,0.11 ;Percent per second

    [TailHook]
    tailhook_length=4 ;(feet)
    tailhook_position=-15.0, 0.0, -1.0 ;(feet) longitudinal, lateral, vertical positions from datum
    cable_force_adjust=0.0

    [pitot_static]
    pitot_heat=1.000000
    [vacuum_system]
    max_pressure=5.150000
    vacuum_type=2
    electric_backup_pressure=0.000000
    engine_map=0,0,0,0
    [pneumatic_system]
    max_pressure=18.000000
    bleed_air_scalar=1.000000
    [deice_system]
    structural_deice_type=0
    [keyboard_response]
    elevator=110.000000,220.000000
    aileron=110.000000,220.000000
    rudder=110.000000,220.000000


    What do I have to modify to increase it's cruise speed up to 457-475 knots at 31,000 feet???

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    I would like to know the same thing but I also noticed something strange...if you go the Flightradar24, you'll see that most of the planes do over 420k at 36.000 feet...I even saw a 747 doing 535 knots. Why? I can hardly reach 340k with an empty 747F at 31.000 feet

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    Quote Originally Posted by ///PESSO View Post
    I would like to know the same thing but I also noticed something strange...if you go the Flightradar24, you'll see that most of the planes do over 420k at 36.000 feet...I even saw a 747 doing 535 knots. Why? I can hardly reach 340k with an empty 747F at 31.000 feet
    Morn'n,

    I'm by no means a flight levels commercial tin expert - but - is the 340 knots you reference - ground speed - indicated airspeed - or - true airspeed ??? Any real world radar tracking would probably be indicating ground speed...

    Regards,
    Scott
    Last edited by scottb613; 11-09-2011 at 07:57 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottb613 View Post
    Morn'n,

    I'm by no means a flight levels commercial tin expert - but - is the 340 knots you reference - ground speed - indicated airspeed - or - true airspeed ??? Any real world radar tracking would probably be indicating ground speed...

    Regards,
    Scott
    I don't know about Flightradar24, go to that website and see for yourself. I think there has to be a difference between the speed indicated on that website and the speed indicated on the airplane's display. I remember I saw a lot of videos (with cockpit views and everything) and the speeds were similar to the ones in FS....290k at FL310 in an A340

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    Hi Pesso,

    I don't know your experience level - so I'll just mention the basics... As you go higher there is less air hitting the "pitot tube" so your "indicated airspeed" (what shows on your cockpit instruments) is progressively/substantially less than your "true airspeed" (real speed of the plane through the air) the higher you go... I think if your bring up the display (shift Z) it will tell you your "True Airspeed" TAS (Indicated Airpeed corrected for altitude and temp) without having to compute them yourself... I suspect that is why you are seeing such a difference...

    Regards,
    Scott
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    There are other factors in play here, as well; namely wind speed and direction. What are your Winds Aloft @ FL310?

    Your Indicated Airspeed (IAS) could very well be different than your Ground Speed due to winds.
    Last edited by ViperPilot2; 11-09-2011 at 08:19 AM. Reason: 'cause Scott had already explained what I also wrote... no sense in saying it twice! :p

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    Hello,

    If you want fly faster (roughly) it's just a parameter to modify

    [TurbineEngineData]
    fuel_flow_gain=0.1 //Gain on fuel flow
    inlet_area=94.0 //Square Feet, engine nacelle inlet area
    rated_N2_rpm=11055.000 //RPM, second stage compressor rated value
    static_thrust=58000.000 //Lbs, max rated static thrust at Sea Level
    afterburner_available=0 //Afterburner available?
    reverser_available=1.000 //Thrust reverser available?

    inlet_area=94.0 //Square Feet, engine nacelle inlet area

    When you increase this number .. the speed decrease
    When you decrease this number .. the speed increase

    Note:
    This increase or decrease of speed will apply at any altitudes


    Regards.
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    I have the same problem with overland airbuses. So I fly them without fuel. I'm about the eye candy, not the details in loads, weight etc. And I max out my speeds in lower flight levels, just short of overspeed stall. That gets me the extra bump I need up high, and I can usually get to 490 kts at cruise. Good luck

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    This is supposed to be a flight SIMULATOR, not an arcade game. If you wanna go fast, fly a supersonic jet, not a passenger/frieght type. As had been posted; the higher you go, the less INDICATED airspeed, but your TRUE airspeed [and ground speed] will be normal.

    Have a safe flight !!
    Remember: Aviation is NOT an exact Science!

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    I don't know, but passenger turbofan planes in FS9 Should do well over that speed of 340kts. 340kts is just too slow.

    They do go over 420kts.

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