Cross wind landing troubles.

**CessnaFlyer** · 10-26-2009, 12:18 PM

hello all. today is a beautyful day for flightsimming. i know this has nothing to do with flightsimming. but the weather out the window is great

. but on the the flightsim im useing real world weather. and my home field runway runs east to west. i have cross winds 8knots at 156 on the heading. and the runways are 10-28 and im useing 10. but i can't seem to land in the center on the numbers and smooth. i keep getting a bone jaring landing. and ideas what could make it better? i read aopa flight training and they had some stuff on this. but it's not working for me.

p.s. signed embarrised fs pilot. lol

**vanzanten** · 10-26-2009, 02:47 PM

are you familiar with crab and sideslip manoeuvres?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crosswind_landing

**CessnaFlyer** · 10-26-2009, 03:04 PM

yeah im familiar with them some what from my reading. but for some reason i can't get them to work on fs9.

**moth01** · 10-26-2009, 04:32 PM

Yeah, the crab and sideslip is what you do..
Remember that when you are in the air, you are moving inside a moving mass of air.
Point your AC more into the wind to compensate, but also watch the ground to see if you are correcting too much.

So, with the crosswind, your nose will not be pointing in line with the runway. But your path should be cenerted over the centerline.

To exaggerate the idea, lets say there is a strong crosswind from the right. Your nose will be pointing to the right, to keep from being blown to the left, but point it into the wind just enough so that you are not drifiting with respect to the runway.
You're coming in sideways.
When you are low enough to the numbers, straighten out to land on the centerline.
IIRC, in flight training they recommended you to add a few knots to the airspeed on final.

Someone help me here, it's been a while but even after you land, you need to add aileron to the direction the wind is coming from.

Good luck!

**CessnaFlyer** · 10-26-2009, 04:39 PM

yes sir. it depends on which way the wind is. now for example if it's a left cross wind you'll want the left aileron down. and the right one up. lol it's

but after a few ya get it i guess. lol. but im rusty in cross winds and night time flying. but if i remember right ya have to be instrument rated to fly at night. and on fs9 im not instrument rated. so to keep it real i don't fly at night.

**Artkl** · 10-26-2009, 09:46 PM

Do you have rudder pedals in your system or are you using only a joystick? Good crosswind landings require that the upwind wing be held down with aileron and the fuselage aligned with runway center line using opposite rudder.

Art

**napamule2** · 10-26-2009, 10:58 PM

Man, that wind is nothing. You shouldn't get much effect from that wind speed, unless you're landing the J3 Cub. Cheesh. The 747 won't even notice that wind (not until about 20 knots or so).

If you have a twist joy, make sure auto-coordination is OFF. Hard to do independent rudder and elevator adjustments with auto coordination being ON.

Since you need to be 'light on your feet' to do crab and/or slip, fuel should be 40% or less (10% with J3 Cub). If you're fully loaded you ain't going to like crosswind landings because you will fail 80% of the attempts with the heavy iron. Running off the runway will be a fail and is the most common result. Even then you need practice to perfect. Coming in too hot doesn't help either. Use full flaps, but use up pitch trim to keep nose up and glide in at whatever speed keeps you up in the air all the way to numbers. Stalling or falling short of runway can be result of sudden elevator without compensating throttle increase. So keep a steady glide with small adjust to pitch trim and throttle. The important thing is the auto coordination having to be OFF. Here is my video of POSKY 747 with 30 knot, 53 degree crosswind landings (YouTube): http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vEAB9N4mzwY . (HINT: If video stops ('loading') hit pause for 20 seconds or so and then hit run (>) and it shuld not make any more stops (unless the site is really, really, busy) and it will play continuous from then on).
Chuck B
Napamule

**CessnaFlyer** · 10-27-2009, 10:28 AM

yeah. i have ch rudder pedals and the yoke. and still i have trouble. i can make run way. but drifting and getting a smooth landing is another thing. lol

**Artkl** · 10-27-2009, 04:11 PM

I suggest that you go to your local public library and see if they have William Kershner's Student Pilot Manual or Rod Machado's Private Pilot book. Read the sections on slips, and then, how to make crosswind landings.