Ifr landings

**muppet1** · 05-30-2009, 04:26 PM

Right im a bit of a newbie and cant land 747's to save my life, How do you set it up so you can line up with the runway you need. I cant even seem to get it right using the approach hold switch.

Any guides or help you might give would be a great help to me as i want to land properly at some point and not where i shouldnt be.

Thanks.

**Tim_A** · 05-30-2009, 04:41 PM

There are excellent lessons and tutorials in the FS Learning Centre; I'd recommend you study and fly them. They are written by very highly respected real world flight instructors and probably represent many hundred of dollars worth of value. Then once you have done the lessons: practice, practice, practice. There is simply no substitute or short cut either in RW aviation or FS. The lessons will be in a Cessna 172. Although the aeroplane may be "simple"; that doesn't make it easy: Master it before you progress to more complex aircraft, and you'll find your sim experience all the better for it.

**thindog** · 05-30-2009, 05:26 PM

Tim is right on the money, I also started out just climbing into a plane and going flying and more often then not ended up in a messy heap at the end of some runway. Someone told me to stop being a twit and read the manuel. Its all there, and the only prang Ive had off late was the result of showing off (Thindog gets wet: Screenshots forum). Do yourself a favour take an hour or so a day for a week and get to know your instruments and their functions. I promise you'll never look back.

**lnuss** · 05-30-2009, 09:01 PM

Tim certainly has it right. Real world flying is sufficiently complex and unintuitive that it takes a minimum of 40 hours of flying under control of an instructor (in the U.S.) to get a Private License (usually takes longer). FS mimics the real world sufficiently well that it usually takes instruction and lots of practice prior to even minimally mastering flight in FS aircraft -- there really aren't any shortcuts, any more than there are in the real world, if you aim to really properly control your aircraft.

So if you think of FS as a mere game, and treat it accordingly, you may never gain much proficiency, while treating it as seriously as you would real world flight can eventually leave you rather capable. It's your choice how you approach it.

***tigisfat*** · 05-31-2009, 02:58 AM

Originally Posted by skytrain90

actually its 20 with an instructor and 10 solo but total 40
yes 20+10=30 but thats the faa for you

yeah, you know what he meant. If you wanna play it that way, then I'll point out that under part 141 you can get your license in 35 hours.

**Tim_A** · 05-31-2009, 04:49 AM

Here the minimum requirement is 45, and it took me 66. At my local FBO, we had a student pass his GFT yesterday after 200 hours! (that's over �21,000 (=$34,000 US) in flying lessons!

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**lnuss** · 05-31-2009, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by skytrain90

actually its 20 with an instructor and 10 solo but total 40
yes 20+10=30 but thats the faa for you

I purposely didn't say WITH an instructor, but rather "under control of an instructor." All of your solo time prior to getting a license is, one way or another, at the discretion of, and must be approved by, your instructor.

**MongooseMike** · 05-31-2009, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by muppet1

Right im a bit of a newbie and cant land 747's to save my life, How do you set it up so you can line up with the runway you need. I cant even seem to get it right using the approach hold switch.

Any guides or help you might give would be a great help to me as i want to land properly at some point and not where i shouldnt be.

Thanks.

Muppet,
Give us a rundown of how you set up your approach.
The 747 is a different bird when it comes to flying and I've struggled with it for a while now myself.

**muppet1** · 06-02-2009, 05:53 AM

well i follow atc instructions untill they say expect vectors onto runway blah blah and then that is when it normally go's wrong.
But i did put in the ILS freq into nav1 and i knew the ILS heading as well and near got it right yesterday.
Guess its like you all said practice makes perfect.

When you land a 747 using all of the above and the approach button what other buttons are ment to be lit as i press it and all the others go out which doesnt seem right.

Anyway off to practice some more between cairns and kingford smith today and will see it i can land this sucker on the runway today.

Thanks for all your help guys.

**MongooseMike** · 06-02-2009, 11:31 AM

Originally Posted by muppet1

well i follow atc instructions untill they say expect vectors onto runway blah blah and then that is when it normally go's wrong.
But i did put in the ILS freq into nav1 and i knew the ILS heading as well and near got it right yesterday.
Guess its like you all said practice makes perfect.

When you land a 747 using all of the above and the approach button what other buttons are ment to be lit as i press it and all the others go out which doesnt seem right.

Anyway off to practice some more between cairns and kingford smith today and will see it i can land this sucker on the runway today.
Thanks for all your help guys.

Just out of curiosity, where does your aircraft end up? Are you off to one side? Is the aircraft turning into the proper runway heading? Are you descending too fast? What happens that screws the landing up?