Did I miss any sim?

[muggymach3]

Hi,

Below is the list of sims that I have been able to find on the internet. I do have some of them (like LOMAC and EECH) and will pick up the others as time goes by but want to know if any of you simmers think I have missed a good one. Note: I am only looking for modern militray aircraft sims and not WW1/2 or civilian/commercial aircraft.

Please let me know

Air Combat:
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Lock-On (+ Flaming Cliffs)
Falcon 4.0: Allied Force
Flanker 2.5
F-22 Total Air War
Jane's F-15
Jane's F/A-18
F/A 18: Operation Iraqi Freedom

Chopper Combat:
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Enemy Engaged: Comanche Vs. Hokum
Enemy Engaged: Apache Vs. Havoc
Enemy Engaged 2
Jane's AH-64 Longbow
Jane's Longbow 2
RAH-66 Comanche

Not Yet Released:
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Enemy Engaged 2: Desert Operation
DCS: Black Shark
Jet Thunder

[xxmikexx]

I don't know whether the following would be of interest to you but it might be of interest to others ...

Falling in the middle of your accept/reject space is Mig Alley -- Korean war Sabre and Mig dogfights plus combat missions of various kinds. This product is probably out of print but eBay is a wonderful thing.

[loki]

There's a new one coming from Ubisoft called Hawx.

http://www.hawxgame.com/

[RyanbATC]

I've seen that, and it looks pretty arcade-style but it should be enjoyable...

[Starspeeder3000]

You should try Jane's USAF, old but good fun with many add-ons.

Any one of the Thirdwire sims aka: Strike Fighters / Wings Over Vietnam / Wings Over Europe / Wings Over Israel. You can combine all 4 into one huge combat flight sim.

[mavrocket]

You should try Jane's USAF, old but good fun with many add-ons.

Any one of the Thirdwire sims aka: Strike Fighters / Wings Over Vietnam / Wings Over Europe / Wings Over Israel. You can combine all 4 into one huge combat flight sim.

I second the Thirdwire Sims as they are very high quality in terms of flight modeling and campaign models. Be warned however, none of them work in Vista until you tweak some files!

And one more thing...

I long for the days when computer games (most notably simulations) were made for adults, not kids and short attention spanned children who happen to be of the adult age... (thank you soooooo much Generation X)

[Kapitan]

I enjoyed Janes and falcon 3.0 back in the early 90s.
After that I never enjoyed combat sims again.
Falcon 4 and Lock-on have very artificial feeling of flying the plane.
Landing is a joke, the navigation systems are too arcade easy, with an arrow pointing home ??

You cannot fly single missions, you have to interact with your wingman, plan the attack instruct them what to do, all this is nice and realllistic but with time you get tired and dogfights are boring.

Another goodone again in the eraly 90s was Eurofighter 2000. Stable, radar lock were reallistic, nice and smooth etc.

In the new games you have to tun into an arcade teenager to avoid being hit in a mission by several enemies (even chosing one-to one) you cannot campaign, so its more muscles than using flight skills.

I love flying an airplane...if in the process I can fire a couple of missiles and bombs...fine.

But I hate arcade and having to study the game built-in intelligence and learn to use your joystick as a tennis racket.

This must be so tru that military sims drop in popularity after the 90s

K

[CoNa]

I enjoyed Janes and falcon 3.0 back in the early 90s.
After that I never enjoyed combat sims again.
Falcon 4 and Lock-on have very artificial feeling of flying the plane.
Landing is a joke, the navigation systems are too arcade easy, with an arrow pointing home ??

You cannot fly single missions, you have to interact with your wingman, plan the attack instruct them what to do, all this is nice and realllistic but with time you get tired and dogfights are boring.

Another goodone again in the eraly 90s was Eurofighter 2000. Stable, radar lock were reallistic, nice and smooth etc.

In the new games you have to tun into an arcade teenager to avoid being hit in a mission by several enemies (even chosing one-to one) you cannot campaign, so its more muscles than using flight skills.

I love flying an airplane...if in the process I can fire a couple of missiles and bombs...fine.

But I hate arcade and having to study the game built-in intelligence and learn to use your joystick as a tennis racket.

This must be so tru that military sims drop in popularity after the 90s

K

It does not seem that you really have tried any of these really.
AF4, I have just briefly tried. For Lockon I can really say. Then I suppose you have tried the 1.12 FC version?

Sure you can fly singel player. Create your own mission or download a singleplayer mission and off you go....simple as that.
No need to fly with a AI wingman if you don't want to.

Don't want to dogfight.... then Lockon is really your game.
Taking a Su25T on ground pounding combat mission is rewarding and extremely hard if you choose to take on a good setup mission.

Artificial feeling?? don't know as I'm not a fighter pilot, but it's regarded as one of the best fightersims when it comes to feeling, especially if you use the Flaming Cliffs addon. The Su-25T is a hog to fly. Needs constant trimming. You say Eurofighter was good.....now we are talking arcade.... sure it's older so it's hard to compare but still. Learning to manage the radar take quite a while.

Check these training videos. It gives you a hint. And Ironhand still makes it look easy.
http://flankertraining.com/ironhand/news.html

Navigation easy with an arrow pointing towards home..?? Are you sure you have not tried the Arcade setup ;-) Then I could understand your comments.
The systems are working pretty much as a "modern" fighter is working today.

Please don't confuse Lockon with with Ace combat 6 ;-)

Sorry to sound like a Lockon fanboy, I know there are flaws in Lockon and AF4 (as with any sim) , but the reasons you give I just cannot agree on.

[csefton]

DCS: Black Shark is out now in russian version! i have it!...its out in english next year

i have an english manual and the menu system in the russian release has english/russian options anyway. plus the mouse pointer in the virtual cockpit has english options for tooltips.....so why they have chosen to release it there is anyones guess........................

Its an awesome game.........................


http://forums.somethingawful.com/sho...readid=2986365


Oh heres a few sims amongst this lot you may have missed...........and am old enough to know all of em and played them........


A-10 Cuba! - Activision -

Climb into the cockpit of the world's toughest, ugliest and most brutal airborne assault vehicle.
AHX-1- GT Interactive -

Intense mission-based fight simulation and search-and-destroy gameplay.
Apache - Interactive Magic -

"A flight game with such broad appeal that everyone from arcade players to hard-core sim hounds should delight in it."
Black Knight- Form Gen -

"If you've always wanted to try a combat flight sim, but didn't know where to start, Black Knight could be your bird." - PC Entertainment
Comanche 3 - Nova Logic -

Introducing Comanche 3, the totally new version of the world's most technically advanced helicopter: The RAH-66 Comanche.

Comanche 4 - Nova Logic -


Take command of the U.S. Army's premier attack helicopter, the RAH-66 Comanche.
Combat Flight Simulator 2 WWII Pacific Theater - Microsoft -

Beautifully rendered battle sites such as Papua New Guinea, The Marianas, the Gilberts, and Midway capture historical scenes in vivid detail, from jungle hillsides to coral reefs.
Combat Flight Simulator 3: Battle for Europe - Microsoft -


As a pilot in Microsoft Combat Flight Simulator 3, you fly in the historical framework of the tactical air war in northwest Europe starting in mid-1943, but there’s a significant difference.
Dawn Patrol - Empire Interactive -

WW I Flight Sim. "Dawn Patrol offers a lot of flying time for the money in a very unique format." - Computer Gaming World.
EF2000 v 2.0 - DID -

The Russians are invading Norway and it's up to the international force of EF2000 Jet fighters to stop them.
Enemy Engaged: Apache Havoc - Empire -

East meets West in an apocalyptic clash of the superpowers as the US Apache Longbow and the Russian havoc go head to head.
Eurofighter Typhoon - Rage -

You are part of ICEFOR's elite Eurofighter Typhoon squadron - outnumbered but superbly equipped.
European Air War - Microprose -

The long-awaited sequel to the critically acclaimed and award-winning 1942: The Pacific Air War.
F-16 Aggressor - Bethesda -

"F-16 Aggressor manages to combine all the essential elements of a good flight sim into one attractively designed package." - Game Power
iF/A-18E Carrier Strike Fighter - Interactive Magic -

Experience the Super Hornet's avionics and flight dynamics as never before while inflicting its full arsenal of weapons on the enemy.
iF-22 Persian Gulf - Interactive Magic -

Use stealth technology, aerobatic skills, and tactical planning to win campaigns in Bosnia, the Ukraine, and the Persian Gulf.
iF-22 Raptor - Interactive Magic -

The Realistic Simulation of the F-22 Raptor. First Look, First Shot, First Kill.
Fighter Duel - Philips -

Fly one of 13 classic World War II dogfighters in pulse-pounding battles.
Fighter Squadron: Screamin' Demons Over Europe - Activision -

"Flight sim fans are going to go nuts over the game's incredibly realistic physics/damage model..." - PC Games Magazine
Flanker 2: Combat Flight Simulator - SSI

Flanker 2.0 features stunning graphics and streamlined playability - without compromising the technical excellence of its famous predecessor!
Flight Sim Toolkit: World War II - Domark -

The first flight sim to capture the fury of D-Day & Midway.
Flying Corps - Empire -

Find out how it feels to fly and fight with the thrilling forerunners to modern fighter planes and experience the gritty realism of airborne conflict in World War I.
Flying Corps Gold - Empire -

Fight your way through the smoke and thunder of four decisive engagements: The Battle of Cambrai, The Flying Circus, Hat-in-the-Ring and the climatic Spring Offensive of 1918.
Gunship! Rock the Bloc - MicroProse -

Experience total immersion at the front line in one of today's most advanced weapons platforms.
IL-2 Sturmovik - UbiSoft -

For the first time ever fly the mystical Russian IL-2 Sturmovik ground attack aircraft during WWII on the Eastern front!
IL-2 Sturmovik: Forgotten Battles - UbiSoft -

Forgotten Battles features World War II's most feared and revered fighter planes, including the German Stuka and American P-47.
Jane's Attack Squadron- Xicat-

Relive the honor, the glory, and the triumph of the greatest aerial fighter sever to grace history books. Join the fray in a sprawling campaign, reenacting the deadliest sky battles in the European Theatre of World War II.
JetFighter III - Mission Studios -

Fly multiple fighters of 3.5 million square miles of real-world terrain.
Joint Strike Fighter (JSF) - Eidos -

The chance to fly both the highly classified Lockheed X35 and the Boeing X32 - now.
KA-52: Team Alligator - GT Interactive -

Command 16 devastating Russian Alligator assault helicopters through over 100 team-based, true-to-combat campaigns.
Lock On: Modern Air Combat - UbiSoft -

Lock On: Modern Air Combat combines a broad scope of game play that includes engaging missions, an immersive combat environment, and in-your-face action.
Pacific Fighters - UbiSoft -

The award-winning flight combat from Oleg Maddox’s IL-2 series moves the setting from the Eastern front to the fierce combat of the Pacific theater.
Rowan's Battle of Britain - Empire -

Rowan's Battle of Britain is a real-time combat flight simulation depicting the Luftwaffe's raids over British skies.
Sabre Ace: Conflict Over Korea - Virgin -

The Korean War. A great time to be a pilot.
SU-27 Flanker - Strategic Simulations -

Russian SU-27 Flight Simulator. Own the Sky.
SU-27 Squadron Commander's Edition - SSI -

Contains the SU-27 Flanker, version 1.5 upgrade and the 150 additional missions.
Team Apache: Helicopter Combat - Mindscape -

Scaleable play modes range from pure arcade for beginners to hard-core sim for experienced players.
Top Gun - Spectrum HoloByte -

F-14 Flight Simulator. Experience the ultimate that modern dogfighting has to offer.
Total Air War - DID -

Complete and compelling simulation of a modern air combat campaign.
U.S. Navy Fighters - EA -

"This game pushes the envelope at every seam as it strives to deliver a thorough simulation of training, action, and life aboard a U.S. air-craft carrier." - CD-ROM Today
WarBirds: Dawn of Aces - Interactive Magic -

A mega multiplayer simulation of WWI air combat based on IMOL's successful WarBirds game engine.
Warbirds III: Fighter Pilot Academy - Simon & Schuster -

WarBirds III, Fighter Pilot Academy

[Leadraft]

I have Falcon 4.0: Allied Force, if you're interested.