Re: CFS flight models DO NOT leave a lot to be desired.

[tonysadler]

Uh...I'm just a bit confused...sounds like all the maneuvers you tried worked
"as advertised" in the book you read. So what's the deficiency? Sounds to me
like the flight models and so on are "pretty darned good" for what is supposed
to be a game, and not a "state-of-the-art" aircraft simulator, which is a horse

of a totally different color. I'd say your money was well spent...enjoy!
All the best, Spike

Hhehe yeah all except the right climbing turn. I started out complaining then
ended praising!. Yeah they are pretty good. I can't make the P38 spin, no
matter what I do. Its props rotated opposite ways, this prevented it from
spining.
Here is a nasty trick: Put realism on 100%. This manouver works best with the
Fw-190D-9 (Dora 9) avaiable on this site, but you can do it with the stock
Fw-190. Go into a slight climb, and make a sharp right hand turn, rudder and
all. Try and make it stall. If you succeced, the 190 should roll violently, and
do something like an outwards reverse loop (ie upside down). Its a really weird
manouver buts its fun!.
Ill keep ya posted on any other nasty little tricks I find.
Enjoy!
Anthony

[ladamson]

Uh...I'm just a bit confused...sounds like all the maneuvers you tried worked
"as advertised" in the book you read. So what's the deficiency? Sounds to me
like the flight models and so on are "pretty darned good" for what is supposed
to be a game, and not a "state-of-the-art" aircraft simulator, which is a horse

of a totally different color. I'd say your money was well spent...enjoy!
All the best, Spike

Hhehe yeah all except the right climbing turn. I started out complaining then
ended praising!. Yeah they are pretty good. I can't make the P38 spin, no
matter what I do. Its props rotated opposite ways, this prevented it from
spining.
Here is a nasty trick: Put realism on 100%. This manouver works best with the
Fw-190D-9 (Dora 9) avaiable on this site, but you can do it with the stock
Fw-190. Go into a slight climb, and make a sharp right hand turn, rudder and
all. Try and make it stall. If you succeced, the 190 should roll violently, and

do something like an outwards reverse loop (ie upside down). Its a really weird

manouver buts its fun!.
Ill keep ya posted on any other nasty little tricks I find.
Enjoy!
Anthony

To spin the P-38, take it up to 6000' or so, then pull power back to bleed off
speed. Just as the stall begins, use full left aileron & full left rudder, or
do the same with the right aileron & rudder. It will spin nicely, although you
probably won't fully recover from that altitude. If you don't have rudder
pedals, then spinning may be questionable.

One thing about CFS2. The flight models may not be "perfect" in every way, but
they do come the closest by far to any seat of the pants flight sim I've ever
tried. I think the virtual cockpit mode is just simply as real as it get's for
that simulated "feeling" of flight.

P.S.------ use the "L" key for cockpit lighting in the virtual shadows. I just
threw this in because I didn't know about it until someone else mentioned it.

L.Adamson

[tonysadler]

I have only CFS, not CFS2.
One historical point though. I understand that the p38 will NOT spin. Full
stop. That is what I understand. If I am mistaken please tell me.
Anthony

[barlowpd]

I have only CFS, not CFS2.
One historical point though. I understand that the p38 will NOT spin. Full
stop. That is what I understand. If I am mistaken please tell me.
Anthony

Any aircraft will spin if you point it at the ground and whak the ailerons on
full but single engine props are more vunerable than most due (as said in the
last message) due to engine torque.

[tonysadler]

I meant from stalling. Heres an idea in CFS(1), in the virtual cockpit, can you
turn on instrument lights?
Anthony

I have only CFS, not CFS2.
One historical point though. I understand that the p38 will NOT spin. Full
stop. That is what I understand. If I am mistaken please tell me.
Anthony

Any aircraft will spin if you point it at the ground and whak the ailerons on
full but single engine props are more vunerable than most due (as said in the
last message) due to engine torque.

[ladamson]

I have only CFS, not CFS2.
One historical point though. I understand that the p38 will NOT spin. Full
stop. That is what I understand. If I am mistaken please tell me.
Anthony

I have not flown a real P-38, but here is what the actual WWII P-38 training
manual says on the subject.

SPINS--- Deliberate spinning is prohibited. If the P-38 is allowed to spin,
after 2 or 3 turns it tends to flatten out. When this occurs, the controls are
forced back and you must use engine power to get the wheel forward. Before
flattening out, you can make a normal recovery without power. To make a normal
recovery from a spin, apply full opposite rudder and ease the wheel forward.

Another note: DON'T USE AILERON AGAINST THE TURN. THIS HAS A BLANKETING ACTION
ON THE RUDDERS. ( I used capital letters, because that's the way it was in the
manual)

I also noted in another section of the manual, that the P-38 had no tendency to
spin or "whip off" on one wing during stalls.

L.Adamson

[dqrogers]

I meant from stalling. Heres an idea in CFS(1), in the virtual cockpit, can you

turn on instrument lights?
Anthony

I have only CFS, not CFS2.
One historical point though. I understand that the p38 will NOT spin. Full
stop. That is what I understand. If I am mistaken please tell me.
Anthony

Any aircraft will spin if you point it at the ground and whak the ailerons on
full but single engine props are more vunerable than most due (as said in the
last message) due to engine torque.

Multi-engined aircraft spin great regardless of counter rotating props. All you
have to do is shutdwon one engine. Go to full power on the remaining engine,
stall and it will roll over quite voilently. I don't think any sim truly
replicates the sheer excitment (and horror) that the real planes do when this
happens, but you get the idea.

[tonysadler]

Multi-engined aircraft spin great regardless of counter rotating props. All you

have to do is shutdwon one engine. Go to full power on the remaining engine,
stall and it will roll over quite voilently. I don't think any sim truly
replicates the sheer excitment (and horror) that the real planes do when this
happens, but you get the idea.

Yeah well thats cheating.
Anthony

[gmcclurg]

People are so quick to accuse others of "CHEATING" I think people like you are
either piss-poor pilots are a little freaked-out.......take a valium and
shud-up!!

TaZ

Multi-engined aircraft spin great regardless of counter rotating props. All you

have to do is shutdwon one engine. Go to full power on the remaining engine,
stall and it will roll over quite voilently. I don't think any sim truly
replicates the sheer excitment (and horror) that the real planes do when this
happens, but you get the idea.

Yeah well thats cheating.
Anthony

[tonysadler]

What sorta pilot is gonna go: "Hmmmm they say this plane cannot spin......ok
then....ill shut down this engine and MAKE it spin!! HAHAHA!! You see! You're
all wrong!!!"
Not quite what the designers had in mind when they said it can't spin.

Ya lotsa pple accuse other pple of cheating.
Anthony