Re: ILS Approaches - HELP

[bilbo]

Hi there,

( Someone has to post the first message, huh? Hope someone will
help me and post the first reply... )
I've been having this problem lately. It seems that the approach hold
feature from the autopilot never works with me. As I see on the airport,
all aircraft land right over the centerline, but when I'm back home at
FS, it does not.
Sometimes I start the approach some 20 or 30 nm out, but it seems it
cannot center on the localizer, and when I'm at 1 or 2 nm he starts to roll
to one side or other and then I have to choices:
1- Crash
2- Disconnect and try to align on the manual. ( which does not work on
a heavy 747 or even 737 ) - the results are awful.

Thank you!

Ricky
rwickert@netpage.com.br

This has been a fault of FSFS planes and some more than others.
Some planes can land on the numbers without turning off ILS hold at all.
You may have better luck with it if auto-coordination is turned on and try
adjusting your joystick sensitivities.
It is a problem.
Bilbo

[wji]

Hi there,

( Someone has to post the first message, huh? Hope someone will
help me and post the first reply... )
I've been having this problem lately. It seems that the approach hold
feature from the autopilot never works with me. As I see on the airport,
all aircraft land right over the centerline, but when I'm back home at
FS, it does not.
Sometimes I start the approach some 20 or 30 nm out, but it seems it
cannot center on the localizer, and when I'm at 1 or 2 nm he starts to roll
to one side or other and then I have to choices:
1- Crash
2- Disconnect and try to align on the manual. ( which does not work on
a heavy 747 or even 737 ) - the results are awful.

Thank you!

Ricky
rwickert@netpage.com.br

Ricky,

I still fly FS5.1 CD on my old machine and it seems to me you're doing
everything right: that is, you're not roaring up to the airport and trying to
execute an ILS Procedure. It's always a good idea to reduce speed as well as to
start a long way out [or better still, fly the published procedure].

My experience is the dame as yours as far as what happens as you approach the
numbers. ONce inside the OUter Or Middle Marker I think one could pretty well
count on flying it by hand; especially, if it's a heavy [737 or larger).

Hope this helps,

Bill

[wickert]

Bill & Bilbo

About Bill's idea of flying them by hand, is this realistic? As I know, in
CAT II and III landings the pilot does not touch the yoke, it's completely
automatic stuff. I also believe that controling a jumbo jet on slow speeds by
hand wouldn't be an easy task.
Bilbo, if some planes have this more than others, could you give me a list
of jets or props that do this well? I'm looking for at least a 737 and 767,
that could fly good approaches by themselves. ( I've already tried
auto-coordination and joystick sensitivities, but they wouldn't help that much.
)

Thanks a lot!

Ricky
rwickert@netpage.com.br

Ricky,

I still fly FS5.1 CD on my old machine and it seems to me you're doing
everything right: that is, you're not roaring up to the airport and trying to
execute an ILS Procedure. It's always a good idea to reduce speed as well as to

start a long way out [or better still, fly the published procedure].

My experience is the dame as yours as far as what happens as you approach the
numbers. ONce inside the OUter Or Middle Marker I think one could pretty well
count on flying it by hand; especially, if it's a heavy [737 or larger).

Hope this helps,

Bill

This has been a fault of FSFS planes and some more than others.
Some planes can land on the numbers without turning off ILS hold at all.
You may have better luck with it if auto-coordination is turned on and try
adjusting your joystick sensitivities.
It is a problem.
Bilbo

[judge]

Hi there,

( Someone has to post the first message, huh? Hope someone will
help me and post the first reply... )
I've been having this problem lately. It seems that the approach hold
feature from the autopilot never works with me. As I see on the airport,
all aircraft land right over the centerline, but when I'm back home at
FS, it does not.
Sometimes I start the approach some 20 or 30 nm out, but it seems it
cannot center on the localizer, and when I'm at 1 or 2 nm he starts to roll
to one side or other and then I have to choices:
1- Crash
2- Disconnect and try to align on the manual. ( which does not work on
a heavy 747 or even 737 ) - the results are awful.

Thank you!

Ricky
rwickert@netpage.com.br

Ricky,

The faster the approach speed the harder it is to stay on the center-line.
Also, the closer you get to the ILS antenna, the more the aircraft will
oscillate. I usually disconnect the autopilot at the inner marker and
land manually. I would suggest you practice approaches in the Cessna
before trying it it with heavier and faster aircraft.

Noel

[plums]

Hi there,

( Someone has to post the first message, huh? Hope someone will
help me and post the first reply... )
I've been having this problem lately. It seems that the approach hold
feature from the autopilot never works with me. As I see on the airport,
all aircraft land right over the centerline, but when I'm back home at
FS, it does not.
Sometimes I start the approach some 20 or 30 nm out, but it seems it
cannot center on the localizer, and when I'm at 1 or 2 nm he starts to roll
to one side or other and then I have to choices:
1- Crash
2- Disconnect and try to align on the manual. ( which does not work on
a heavy 747 or even 737 ) - the results are awful.

Thank you!

Ricky
rwickert@netpage.com.br
Ricky;

I have always had the same problem lining up on the center line. I
very seldom am right on the center line. One thing I have learned is to
disconnect the autopilot when you are approx. 400' above ground or other wise
the aircraft goes all over the place. I never fly the bigger aircraft so I
can't really comment on them.
Doug (doug@brunswickmicro.nb.ca)

[bilbo]

Hi there,

( Someone has to post the first message, huh? Hope someone will
help me and post the first reply... )
I've been having this problem lately. It seems that the approach hold
feature from the autopilot never works with me. As I see on the airport,
all aircraft land right over the centerline, but when I'm back home at
FS, it does not.
Sometimes I start the approach some 20 or 30 nm out, but it seems it
cannot center on the localizer, and when I'm at 1 or 2 nm he starts to roll
to one side or other and then I have to choices:
1- Crash
2- Disconnect and try to align on the manual. ( which does not work on
a heavy 747 or even 737 ) - the results are awful.

Thank you!

Ricky
rwickert@netpage.com.br
Ricky;

I have always had the same problem lining up on the center line. I
very seldom am right on the center line. One thing I have learned is to
disconnect the autopilot when you are approx. 400' above ground or other wise
the aircraft goes all over the place. I never fly the bigger aircraft so I
can't really comment on them.
Doug (doug@brunswickmicro.nb.ca)

With the heavies and larger jets I usually disconnect the autopilot at about 4
or 5 miles out--well before it begins to get wild. If it is oscillating,
disconnect just before it is in line horizontally. That should make it easier
to line up manually. The big jets are real sensitive to speed mistakes also so
get the approach speed right.
I think that the problem is with the the autopilot correction ranges. As you
get closer the ILS cone gets smaller and the autopilot should get more exacting
on it's corrections but it doesen't. It is also built around the Cessna it
seems and this is much slower and more maneuvorable plane. It has more time to
correct and level off. Some of the planes will take ILS and others that are
built to fly "Smoother" won't adjust soon enough and fast enough.
It is best to land without it in Fs5. Once you get used to controlling ILS
landings, you can add decreased visibility in the weather area until you are
able to land on the numbers with 1/4 mile visibility or less. It is neat.
Bilbo