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  1. #1
    enged Guest

    Default Re: steering reversal when taxi-ing

    Some downloaded aircraft have reversed rudder effect when taxi-ing, but are
    normal when airborne. This makes landing in a crosswind too exciting for me.
    I'm also making a weightshift microlight for FS98, and I need to reverse the
    'rudder' on the ground. I'm using AirEd. Does anyone know which entries control
    the ground steering?
    Hello, Alan,
    I was waiting to see if wiser heads than mine would respond. They haven't as
    yet, so here goes:
    If I understand correctly, the planes you mention are giving reversed
    "steering" on the ground but normal rudder action, right? Also, I assume you'd
    like ground behavior to match rudder action; i.e., right rudder pedal should
    cause the plane to turn to the right.
    Check in the AirEd for the item that defines Center Gear Longitudinal
    location. It sounds like the plane in question is a trike with an incorrect
    taildragger setting or vice versa. A trike should have positive value for
    Center Gear Longitudinal (i.e., its nose wheel is ahead of the cg). A
    taildragger should have negative value (i.e., its tail wheel is aft of it).
    Obviously Center Gear and Main Gear Vertical locations should be set
    appropriately as well; otherwise the plane won't sit correctly. In fact, if the
    Gear settings conflict with cg location, it may not sit at all!
    Hope this is helpful. -- Dennis S, FSEngEd@aol.com

  2. #2
    pvarn Guest

    Default Re: steering reversal when taxi-ing

    Some downloaded aircraft have reversed rudder effect when taxi-ing, but are
    normal when airborne. This makes landing in a crosswind too exciting for me.
    I'm also making a weightshift microlight for FS98, and I need to reverse the
    'rudder' on the ground. I'm using AirEd. Does anyone know which entries control
    the ground steering?
    If you only get reversing on the ground, check the assignment/placement of the
    nose/tail gear (called Center.)

    If the longitude is set neg, it's a tail wheel, if positive, nose wheel.
    If the "taildragger" flag (328) is set, the L,R function of the wheel is
    reversed.
    -Pv-

  3. #3
    pvarn Guest

    Default Re: steering reversal when taxi-ing

    Dennis,

    You did real good.
    -Pv-

    Some downloaded aircraft have reversed rudder effect when taxi-ing, but are
    normal when airborne. This makes landing in a crosswind too exciting for me.
    I'm also making a weightshift microlight for FS98, and I need to reverse the
    'rudder' on the ground. I'm using AirEd. Does anyone know which entries control
    the ground steering?
    Hello, Alan,
    I was waiting to see if wiser heads than mine would respond. They haven't as
    yet, so here goes:
    If I understand correctly, the planes you mention are giving reversed
    "steering" on the ground but normal rudder action, right? Also, I assume you'd
    like ground behavior to match rudder action; i.e., right rudder pedal should
    cause the plane to turn to the right.
    Check in the AirEd for the item that defines Center Gear Longitudinal
    location. It sounds like the plane in question is a trike with an incorrect
    taildragger setting or vice versa. A trike should have positive value for
    Center Gear Longitudinal (i.e., its nose wheel is ahead of the cg). A
    taildragger should have negative value (i.e., its tail wheel is aft of it).
    Obviously Center Gear and Main Gear Vertical locations should be set
    appropriately as well; otherwise the plane won't sit correctly. In fact, if the
    Gear settings conflict with cg location, it may not sit at all!
    Hope this is helpful. -- Dennis S, FSEngEd@aol.com

  4. #4
    enged Guest

    Default Re: steering reversal when taxi-ing

    Earlier stuff snipped for brevity.

    Hello, Paul,
    Oddities persist, though. I recall one taildragger of a fellow simmer that
    would reverse-steer until I fooled it into thinking it was a trike...
    I still haven't solved the steering sensitivity issue: Usually trikes are
    fine, but my Miles M.57 is overly twitchy, I believe because of its relatively
    short "wheelbase" and wide track. Several taildraggers are overly dull (even
    when cheated to shorten wheelbase, etc).
    All in good fun. -- Dennis S, FSEngEd@aol.com

  5. #5
    pvarn Guest

    Default Re: steering reversal when taxi-ing

    "twitchy" and "dull" are easy to fix. I highly suggest leaving the wheel base
    for both kinds of planes as they are in real life. Unless you are over 25% off
    the real-world setting, changing the wheel base influences balance and ground
    rolling effects as well as wind effects a LOT more than they affect steering
    sensitivity.

    Also check to make sure the yaw center of ration is correct. This is easiest
    to set while steering on the ground so you can see where the plane pivots.
    You can get restricted or strange steering effects if the yaw rotation is too
    close to the nose/tail.

    If a plane with proper wheel base and placement is too twitchy, increase the
    yaw inertia, and decrease for those sluggish tail draggers. In FS2K, there are
    prop wash parameters that strongly influence the rudder and elevator. In those
    cases with a small plane, you can make it steer more effectively by pulling
    back on the stick, forcing the rear wheel onto the ground. Strange, but true.

    Double-check to make sure you have placed the fuel tanks and quantities
    properly. I still get caught once in a while using inches instead of feet in
    FS2K fuel tanks. Planes will act kinda strange with fuel tanks hanging 70 feet
    off the ends of the wings!
    -Pv-

    Earlier stuff snipped for brevity.

    Hello, Paul,
    Oddities persist, though. I recall one taildragger of a fellow simmer that
    would reverse-steer until I fooled it into thinking it was a trike...
    I still haven't solved the steering sensitivity issue: Usually trikes are
    fine, but my Miles M.57 is overly twitchy, I believe because of its relatively
    short "wheelbase" and wide track. Several taildraggers are overly dull (even
    when cheated to shorten wheelbase, etc).
    All in good fun. -- Dennis S, FSEngEd@aol.com

  6. #6
    lyall Guest

    Default Re: steering reversal when taxi-ing

    Some downloaded aircraft have reversed rudder effect when taxi-ing, but are
    normal when airborne. This makes landing in a crosswind too exciting for me.
    I'm also making a weightshift microlight for FS98, and I need to reverse the
    'rudder' on the ground. I'm using AirEd. Does anyone know which entries control
    the ground steering?
    If you only get reversing on the ground, check the assignment/placement of the
    nose/tail gear (called Center.)

    If the longitude is set neg, it's a tail wheel, if positive, nose wheel.
    If the "taildragger" flag (328) is set, the L,R function of the wheel is
    reversed.
    -Pv-
    Thanks, I'll try it out.

  7. #7
    lyall Guest

    Default Re: steering reversal when taxi-ing

    Hello, Alan,
    I was waiting to see if wiser heads than mine would respond. They haven't as
    yet, so here goes:
    If I understand correctly, the planes you mention are giving reversed
    "steering" on the ground but normal rudder action, right? Also, I assume you'd
    like ground behavior to match rudder action; i.e., right rudder pedal should
    cause the plane to turn to the right.
    Check in the AirEd for the item that defines Center Gear Longitudinal
    location. It sounds like the plane in question is a trike with an incorrect
    taildragger setting or vice versa. A trike should have positive value for
    Center Gear Longitudinal (i.e., its nose wheel is ahead of the cg). A
    taildragger should have negative value (i.e., its tail wheel is aft of it).
    Obviously Center Gear and Main Gear Vertical locations should be set
    appropriately as well; otherwise the plane won't sit correctly. In fact, if the
    Gear settings conflict with cg location, it may not sit at all!
    Hope this is helpful. -- Dennis S, FSEngEd@aol.com
    Thanks, I'll check it out.

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