Is this for real?

[bigboydal]

I know flight sims are getting better but hey look at this :

I was following vectors with Dutch Centre along with this MD80. ATC made us both report eachother in site but gave no traffic alert or new vectors to either of us. I was at FL330 with him climbing, surely his wake would wipe me out ?

http://www.flightsim.com/dcforum/User_files/3c2e2b260a00633c.jpg

Any ideas ?

Darren

[nwabri]

He looks to be about a thousand feet or so below you...ATC will not vector around other AI aircraft...it isnt that advanced yet...and you are safe from wake turbulence if you are at a higher altitide then another aircraft...Wake turbulence flows down and away from aircraft.


Brian A. Neuman
Wooodbury, MN

[Kurtvw]

Not being an IFR pilot myself, I can't guarantee that my thoughts on this are valid, but I can tell you that typically when being vectored by ATC as a VFR flight in real life, such as in a class B, once you tell the controller you have the traffic in sight, you have basically accepted responsibility for your own visual seperation and freed the controller to work on other things.

And similarly if you call that you do not have the other guy in sight, the controller will continue to attempt the seperation for you.

Again, I can't be sure if the same basic rule applies to IFR since I don't fly real world IFR.

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[ad2]

One problem I have found though, is that if you reply that you don't have the traffic in sight, the ATC will not progress. For some reason, I have to always tell ATC that the traffic is in sight, regardless if it is or not. OF course I am talking about the sim and not real life.

[Gil_B_Legend]

>Not being an IFR pilot myself,
>I can't guarantee that my
>thoughts on this are valid,
>but I can tell you
>that typically when being vectored
>by ATC as a VFR
>flight in real life, such
>as in a class B,
>once you tell the controller
>you have the traffic in
>sight, you have basically accepted
>responsibility for your own visual
>seperation and freed the controller
>to work on other things.
>
>
>And similarly if you call that
>you do not have the
>other guy in sight, the
>controller will continue to attempt
>the seperation for you.
>
>Again, I can't be sure if
>the same basic rule applies
>to IFR since I don't
>fly real world IFR.

Yeah, when you're VFR the responsibility is on you. ATC provides advisories to VFR aircraft, but that's it. When IFR, ATC actually does have a genuine, well-defined resposibility to provide sequencing and separation. While you can never take this responsibility away from ATC, when you're in VFR conditions operating under IFR rules you are expected and required to provide your own visual separation.

If you've ever seen a movie called "Pushing Tin", they give a decent idea of what kind of stress ATC is under to separate IFR aircraft.

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[YNGController]

"If you've ever seen a movie called "Pushing Tin", they give a decent idea of what kind of stress ATC is under to separate IFR aircraft."


I can tell you've never actually been in an ATC Faculity...How those guys act in the movie with the stress is about as pitiful is it goes....

[bluemax]

That is usual if you fly from Europe to US or Canada. The minimum is 1000ft between two airplanes.

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