PMDG 747-400 has landed ! [Archive]

metro752

08-02-2005, 10:25 AM

$54.95 is the price of two movie tickets? Are your tickets printed on gold coated stainless steel?

$6.50 x 2 = $13, popcorn is $2.00 for a big bucket. $15.

PMDG is out of their minds asking for $54.95, especially when most folks who would be remotely interested have:

Level D 767
Dreamfleet 727
PMDG 737NG

Not including, some folks, like me, have,

Dreamfleet Cessna 310
Dreamfleet Cessna 152
Dreamfleet Cessna 421
Dreamfleet Cessna 177
AOPA Flight 1 Commander

We're the customers, let's keep these add on prices reasonable, and not be forced to spend so much money on add ons when the simulator itself can be had for as little as $25 now in retail stores.

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crvm

08-02-2005, 10:42 AM

>Thats way too expensive no matter how complex it is, they
>should have made a cheap non complex version also.
>
>OHN

I am always amazed how some think what they believe is correct, no doubt if you had spent well over a year and 16-20 hours days working on a product you would think otherwise for flight sim or something else. Don't get me wrong, I believe people have every right to their opinions but it is only an opinion. I see a mentality amounst some flight simmers that seem to believe that somehow flight sim add-ons should be "cheap" regardless of the quality or time developing, I find this incredible. Developers do not "owe" the community anything anymore than trader joe's owes me cheap hotdogs. It's a market plain and simple. If someone does not like the price of a Rolls Royce he simply goes buys a cheaper vehicle, it does not matter if the Rolls is hand made and has leather seats, inlaid wood etc etc, all that matters to this person is his out of pocket expense. I on the other hand like to get the best, it's just me. As an axample, I recently purchased a 530 dollar video card. Sure I could have bought a GFORCE MMX for 50 bucks but what type of performace would I expect for 50 bucks? Should I write those companies and tell them that 500+ dollars no matter what they put into it it not worth it because I think it's too much for a video card?

The fact is this add-on has things never before seen or done for flight simulator. There were 3 747 pilots and 3 of other aircraft types, countless beta testers who spent months away from family and friends to help produce what I believe is the best 747 airliner ever created for flight simulator. Technology is moving forward, we who desire "realism" must except that complex sims cost money to develope because time=money. We should support all developers who strive to make our enjoyment fullfilling by purchasing quality products. I do not believe 55 dollars to be alot of money, I spend more on smoking in a month ;D. I guess price is relative to the buyer, so ask yourself this, will you get your money's worth out of this product? If you have longed for a 747 add-on that closely replicates it's systems like never before then the answer is clear enough. Again, people have every right to not buy but to suggest that this view the the correct view is mistaken.

Happy flying-

AmSkram

08-02-2005, 10:48 AM

I'll happily buy it as soon as I can get through the shopping cart.

bobbern

08-02-2005, 10:50 AM

>>PMDG is out of their minds asking for $54.95, especially when most >>folks who would be remotely interested have.

I think your wrong.
This will be one of the best selling add-ons of all time.
How much salary, travel, research do you think it cost them in two years of development?

They know exactly what they're doing. And the web site is flooded today with orders and downloads.

I don't want a $25 simulator full of bugs and dummy switches.

It will be worth every penny. I'd rather have 1 superb simualtor @ $50 than 2 with half the features @ $25.

Bob
KMEM

metro752

08-02-2005, 10:52 AM

We shall see. Then again these guys never release their sales figures.

EDIT, and Like I said, I already have three very outstanding Boeing jets. This 744 can't fly into all the great airports I normally visit.

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Binkles

08-02-2005, 11:01 AM

$55 US = $71.90au

$71.90 = a lot of movie tickets - but I don't know - I don't go to the movies as they are too expensive.

I must admit, I never got excited about the 747 for a number of reasons, but the primary one was that it was going to cost a lot of money, more than I can justify.

That's not to say PMDG are wrong to charge it, they have every right, remember we've seen at least one other plane for nearly twice that.

Price is relative and you've got to weigh up the benefits to yourself, a blanket statement is not the way to go.

Example - Me - $55 on something I might fly once or twice - I'm more of a smaller plane person. Not worth it.

Now $55 for a Bae-146 that did everything correctly - I would buy - I would spend the time flying it, as it's my kind of plane.

Joe Bloggs - $55 on something he will fly almost each day, whether for short hops in Japan, or long haul. Worth while for that person.

Would they also spend $55 on a bae? Doubt it.

I'm sorry, but anyone who says it's too expensive needs to sit down and ask themselves if they would use it a lot, and then you will realise that the price isn't that bad. If you still think it's too expensive, then the options are either build one yourself, or realise you can't justify spending that much on the plane, and move on.

If no-one bought it at $55 then I would say you have a case. But I think you will find that it will sell, and sell well at that price.

Binkles

08-02-2005, 11:02 AM

>Thats way too expensive no matter how complex it is, they
>should have made a cheap non complex version also.
>
>OHN

I think Posky have released a non complex version - and it's free, or if you don't want to download a plane, I remember that fs9 actually comes with a non complex 747.

RobertK

08-02-2005, 11:15 AM

>Thats way too expensive no matter how complex it is, they
>should have made a cheap non complex version also.
>
>OHN

There is a cheap non complex version of the 747, it is the Posky Jumbo with the default MS panel. It's free.

For a product as complex and development time-intensive as the PSS one (which btw won't be sold as often as Flight Simulator by a very long shot), 55 bucks seems well justified to me.

You work very long and hard on something, the demand is there, but not a very large customer base, you ask a price for it which is not exactly low.
Basic economy.

Regards,

Robert

clynefan

08-02-2005, 11:15 AM

>$54.95 is the price of two movie tickets? Are your tickets
>printed on gold coated stainless steel?
>
>$6.50 x 2 = $13, popcorn is $2.00 for a big bucket. $15.

Wow! I need to go to your movie theater! Where is it?

Here in Colorado Springs, one adult ticket will cost you $7.75, so two adults is $15.50. Now I want some popcorn. The big bucket here is around $7.00, so now I've spent $22.50. Add in a couple large drinks at around $4.00 each and I've spent $30.50 for the wife and I to see a 1 1/2 hour movie.

Or spend $54.95 for what sounds like a great complex aircraft which will most likely give sim pilots hundreds if not thousands of hours of enjoyment.

I personally am not buying it, but only because I don't fly heavies, really only GA aircraft. But PMDG has been developing this bird for quite some time, so the time investment seems to make the amount pretty fair in my opinion.

Bruce

08-02-2005, 11:21 AM

>Thats way too expensive no matter how complex it is, they
>should have made a cheap non complex version also.
>
>OHN

the cheap non complex 747-400 comes as standard with the game, and that comes with quite a lot of addons such as a variety of historic aircraft and scenery that covers the whole world :) you can in fact buy 2 copies of FS9 for the price of the PMDG Jumbo. as to the price and size of the download, the download is small because it contains no liveries as they are seprate free downloads, the price is high compared to other addons, but when you think about it it only takes a few hours to earn that much, compared to the amount of hours it too to make it actually could be considered a bargin. obviously to full sustify purchase you would need to use it but it still costs less than a takaway chiese meal and you are usually hungery a few hours after that, i uspect the Jumbo woul last a bit longer :)

apollosmith

08-02-2005, 11:21 AM

This isn't just an add-on - it's a completely new simulator. FS9 is simply just the engine for this 747 simulator. Take a look at the 300+ page manual to get an idea of what is modeled into this thing. And then look at the dozens of liveries available. And then check out the support and community around the PMDG products. I then think you'll see that the price is just right. I'm off to purchase, that is if their site is still up!

-Smitty

jboweruk

08-02-2005, 11:24 AM

Hmm, just done a quick conversion into Pounds Stirling and nope, that's not expensive, I bet you wouldn't think twice a lot of you about paying 35 quid for an XBox game, look at it this way:

£35, gets you a night in a hotel, or into a Theme park for a day, It'll get you a 3 course meal (if you're lucky), or into a Soccer match.

The PMDG is gonna last you a lot longer than any of those, it's gonna last months, maybe years, so why moan??? It's not the most expensive add-on plane out there, Majestic Dash-8 at $100 holds that record. And for what you'll be getting IMHO it's worth every single penny.

I'm buying it asap, probly not right now as I'm already spent up for the month, but come 12th August......

Now I just need to get some of my pilots on FSP up to the point where they can fly her....

John

BobPr

08-02-2005, 11:39 AM

The number of interested simmers has overloaded both PMDG's servers and AVSIM. The AVSIM forums are closed due to technical problems. The PMDG support forum was being clobbered at 11:00Z. I assume the closing of the forums is related to the 747 release. Can't remember that happening lately. :)

Bob...

flightsimmer747

08-02-2005, 11:59 AM

Hey it didn't block the word avsim thank you fightsim.

Don't buy it guys, so it will easier for me to purchase, the site is jammed. lol

newguy

08-02-2005, 12:08 PM

Hey Metro,
As far as sales figures go. Look at the number of downloads the manual has achieved. If every one that downloaded the manual downloads and buys the airplane, you might get a rough idea of sales.

My opinion on the price. Well it is a hobby and everyone has the right to their opinion and whether they will buy it or not. I will buy it. Everybody has hobbies that cost money, some cost more than others. Think about this, people who smoke spend uber amounts of money weekly on their addiction (hobby) of cigarettes. 2 cartons of cigs can cost you about the same price as this add on. Or how about people that drink, lots of money gets spent on drinking. Seems to me that you can spend 54.95 and get hours, days, months or even years of fun. Spend that same money on addictions and you get what a long slow death...hmmmm...HA! That's how I rationalize spending $54 on a video game.

metro752

08-02-2005, 12:15 PM

I have downloaded the manual on three seperate computers in three seperate locations.

Counting by Manual downloads is hardly any way to tell.

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Ed Lin

08-02-2005, 12:26 PM

I live in the Northern NJ/New York City area. Two movie tics and popcorn around here is easily in the neighborhood of $25 -- over $30 if you throw in a soda or some other candy. And if the movie's bad (not an unusual happening) you forget the film a lot faster than the bucks. :*

When I look at the cost of games for my kid's Xbox, I begin to think the developer's are really underpaid. Yes I said it! Now I often do some soul searchin' before I drop money for an addon, of which I have many. However, it's not because I don't think someone deserves it.

I'm usually quite happy with my addon purchases and my FS9 addons have brought me more smiles and thrills than most movies I've seen in the last year!

Ktulu

08-02-2005, 12:31 PM

Damn the money I will buy it. No dinner for the kid. She eats to much anyway.:7

Of course I am joking. I cant compare this to anything like dinner or the movies they all have there entertainment value and are enjoyable when I get a chance to go.

I wont try and change anybodys mind do what you want and let others do as they want. I think Flightsim gets a little to serious for some and people get way to angry over non-issues. I am going to get the 747 and if you dont enjoy what ya got and if you do I also hope you enjoy it.

Andrew

RFields

08-02-2005, 01:09 PM

First, where can you get a $2.00 bucket of popcorn at a movie theater showing first run movies?

Look at it this way - if thousands of people buy this plane - it will help convince Microsoft of the viability of the Flight Sim market and help keep them developing and working on the next two versions of FS.

BigVern

08-02-2005, 01:41 PM

I will buy it but most likely when it is released on CD. No problem with the price (which works out at around £30 GBP) but I have a bit of a "thing" re payware via download at present.

Hopefully a CD release will give me a nicely presented case and at least a paraphased printed version of the manual.

In the meantime I've re-ordered 747 RFPB and will have a frsh attempt at trying to get the engines started.

ejoiner

08-02-2005, 01:53 PM

I tried to buy it earlier and couldnt get thru. I normally would never pay this much, but it looks like it might set a new standard. In reflection, Im GLAD I couldnt get thru now because I want to get user screenshots and opinions on whether this thing is a FPS hog. My machine is not a hotrod, but does pretty well for me. I also normally am not a long distance flyer...but some things you just gotta do.

Once you early adopters get the word out, I'll succumb again...

Eric

ejoiner

08-02-2005, 01:54 PM

I saw that...but what has Avsim got to do with PMDG? Are they hosting the file? Seems dumb if it crashes their main site or a least a good piece of their functionality for days.

Eric

Stonec0ld

08-02-2005, 01:57 PM

That's what I'm doing, since I don't have a credit card..... Gotta wait until the cd is made available at an online shop that supports snailmailed money orders...

Of course, that's probably months away, just like each of the 737 packages.... Ah well, I still got the pmdg 737's, the rfp 747-200, and many others to keep me happy :P

metro752

08-02-2005, 01:57 PM

>First, where can you get a $2.00 bucket of popcorn at a movie
>theater showing first run movies?
>

http://www.bigscreen.com/Search.php?terms=GKC&limit=theaters

Let me add a bit more, drinks are like $4.75 for a 44oz, and their candy is outrageously priced.

Tix are $5 before 5pm, and $6.50 after 5pm. BYOB for popcorn is on tuesday, and people show up with tons of buckets, and its still $2.00 all you can eat popcorn.

Free popcorn refills on regular days too.

Glad I don't have to pay so much to see a movie, and have turn out to be crap :D like so many did this year.

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metro752

08-02-2005, 01:59 PM

PMDG gets more hits on their website with their support forum being hosted at www.AVSIM.com Free Advertising too, unless of course they pay to have their support forum on AVSIM.

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BobPr

08-02-2005, 02:02 PM

It really is a mess. Even if you do buy it, there is no place to discuss specific technical issues right now. I can understand PMDG's desire to control everything but perhaps they should have left the distribution to someone else? Barring a technical problem with their servers, it appears they where woefully unprepared.

Finally, one user on the PS1 site has several problems with some systems' logic, cracking sound and jerky simulation. We all know that every computer system is unique. Hopefully that gentleman's experience is not typical of the release.

Bob....

ha5mvo

08-02-2005, 02:11 PM

Hi,
not trying to flame or make a commotion - a truely informative question:

what "groundbreaking" features does the 747 offers that we have not seen to date?

Thanx!

//Michael

Erick_Cantu

08-02-2005, 02:24 PM

From the features list...none. Maybe there's something they haven't listed.

$60? $40 is one thing, $60 is excessive. Having worked in the payware business - and still continuing to do so - there is a point where you all look around at each other and say "I know we've invested xxx in this, mates, but this is excessive."

I could buy a brand new Atlas SD60 - WITH DCC - for that kind of money and it'd be far more worth it.

Of course with so many people foaming at the moth for yet another 747 - and no competition to keep them in check - people will pay anything.

Oh, well. I'll continue to buy from vendors that keep prices reasonable, 747s hold no interest in me anyway. :)

panzerschiffe

08-02-2005, 02:36 PM

I'm afraid the line is drawn for me too.

54.95 for only the passenger version of the plane. If I want Cargo I'll have to buy yet another product, and how much will that one be?

Just one of the many niggles about this product and its price that bothers me - the panel seems to only have engine gauges for GE engines. What about tape gauges (KLM?) EPR?

metro752

08-02-2005, 02:41 PM

I wonder if they figured, well LDS can pull off not having RR engine gauges, so can we?

I retract that completely, if infact, they do have eeeeeeeeeePR gauges.

After seeing this, I feel sorry for anyone who was expecting something as great the the 737NG http://img7.imageshack.us/img7/7340/2d7en.jpg

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RFields

08-02-2005, 03:02 PM

"i thought the file size would be bigger due to the complexity of this airplane"

Let's hope the aircraft itself and gauges is small. I believe there is a size limit to the model.

I'll bet much of the 60MB is textures and sounds.

But additional repaints are extra downloads (and I do LOVE the PDMG repaints for their other aircraft for which I don't have to pay an extra dime !!!) My 737 repaints are several times the original download in size.

Also - the manual is a separate download - that's now any light bedside reading. Buy a new ream of paper and a new laser printer cartridge before trying to print it!!

Unfortunately the cost in gas from Texas to Bemidji would negate any savings on the popcorn.

Most times I'm lucky to get out of a movie for under $35.

DVD's are more cost effective.

AmSkram

08-02-2005, 03:15 PM

I knew the price was gonna be out of the park. Tons of people on the PMDG forum say they'll pay anything...even $200 for the 747. Of course PMDG is going to raise the price based on that. They took those comments seriously, and now we have this price raise. Not to mention the cargo add-on will be like $30.

apollosmith

08-02-2005, 03:27 PM

I don't quite understand what all the complaining is about. If you don't like the price, don't pay it. Lambourgini's are expensive, but I don't complain to everyone about how expensive they are. They are expensive because they represent the top-of-the-line product that has a lot of features and power built into them. Are they overpriced? Probably. Is the 747 overpriced. For some people. But if people are willing to pay the price (which obviously LOTS of people are), then what's so bad about an add-on developer making a little money for a change.

As an owner of most of PMDG's products - all of which are excellent, I believe the price to be about right. Their 737 has given me 100's of hours of simulation enjoyment - I fly it more than any other add-on I have. I'm certain the 747 will do the same - and for that, I'd gladly throw down $55, that is if there site was up.

Just my $.02.

-Smitty

david roch

08-02-2005, 03:59 PM

>
>After seeing this, I feel sorry for anyone who was expecting
>something as great the the 737NG
>

what do you mean?????

btacon

08-02-2005, 04:00 PM

Hi...just curious where you get movie tickets @ 6.50. Even more interested in "big" popcorn @2.00! <grin>

At my theater they are 8.50 and 5.50 respectively.

Cheers,

bt

RobertK

08-02-2005, 04:22 PM

>After seeing this, I feel sorry for anyone who was expecting
>something as great the the 737NG

Looks like a 747 to me.
You seeing anything else?

michal

08-02-2005, 04:27 PM

>After seeing this, I feel sorry for anyone who was expecting
>something as great the the 737NG
>

Then I fee sorry for your eyes. What I see is a superbly done 2D panel, much better than the one in 737NG.

Michael J.

Mike T

08-02-2005, 04:41 PM

Ahhh, its true the eyes see what one only wants them to see, in this case *stars*

Look again young grasshoppers. What's wrong with the picture? I'll give you three hints!

Hint 1 - IAS is 30 knots!!!!
Hint 2 - EHSI shows straight and level flight at 30 kts IAS
Hint 3 - 380,000 lbs of fuel, 30 kts IAS, Gear down, straight and level flight!

Are you beginning to see what the poster was trying to convey?

Regards,

Mike T.

metro752

08-02-2005, 04:44 PM

I got that screenshot from www.laartcc.org

Basically what I was showing, was the 2d panel, with the grotesque center divider thing.

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metro752

08-02-2005, 04:50 PM

Hey, I found this pic on airliners.net that resembles what we have heard so far about the PMDG 744

http://www.airliners.net/open.file/849018/L/

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buzzbenz

08-02-2005, 04:52 PM

Hehe.... Amazing sometimes how many cross-simmers there are here, isn't it :) Didn't realize the SD60s were down in that range nowadays, when i worked at the Hobby Shop here before they changed management and finally closed, they went for a lot more than that.

I rarely do a trans-Atlantic flight in FS (last one was in Jul of 2004). I had specifically done one a couple weeks ago and am "trolling" around Europe right now, while i was waiting for the 747 for the return trip.

Well, after seeing the price, i'll be returning on the 767 as well now.

I had quams about the 767 at $40, and i was willing to stretch to $45 for the 747. $55 though? Nope, not right now anyway. The truth is, with a wife, kids, and another hobby involving a sim, i don't have the time to do many flights in a 747, and the cost/use ratio for me is way off in this case. Perhaps it can be a Christmas present from the wife, but outside of that, i probably won't be seen captaining a 747-400 any time soon. If i had the ability to fly the plane more than a few hours a month, maybe i could justify the cost, but i don't, so i can't.

Yep, there are those that are gonna say "PMDG can do what they want, don't buy it then!" And i'll say that too - PMDG can indeed do what they want, and as well, i can indeed not buy it. Somewhere, they figured that the money they'll make from the price will make up for many potential customers not buying it - that is their decision, that is their right. And i, as a consumer, have the right to not buy it. I'll excercise that right.

I DID want to reply to a couple of "I am right for buying it, and you are wrong for not buying it..." things in this thread though:

- Downloads of the manual are not an indication. I too downloaded the manual, but i won't be purchasing the aircraft, least not for many months.

- Many more hours of enjoyment than an X-Box game? That's not necessarily true. REALLY depends on the game, PLUS, my wife plays them too. Count the total number of hours the two of us have put in together on KOTOR and KOTOR II (i'm always on the side of light, she likes to go to the Dark Side :) ), and we've easily surpassed any FS add-on i have purchased to date. With FS though, she has only one time sat in the "Pilot's Seat" at home, and that was only to run ATC handoffs so i could do the laundry and finish one of the kitchen cabinets - hardly what i'd call actually having an interest in it (she DID fly a real C172 once though!).

- I can very well imagine the number of hours that went into this. Doesn't make the price "right" though. Heck, few of you have ANY idea how much of my life i have put into add-ons for another type of simulator, and the group i belong to currently charge $0 for everything. Now, i do have the utmost respect for the work and time PMDG have put into this plane, and again, if they feel that's what they need to charge, fine. But it doesn't make them "right" for charging it, nor does it make me "wrong" for not buying it. It's just the way things are, no right or wrong there....

But this leaves me with one fear it doesn't sound like many have considered - if there is a $15 jump over the PREVIOUS most-expensive plane, what do you think that will tell PMDG for the MD11? What will that tell Flight1 for the MD80? What will that tell Level-D for the 757? What will that tell feelThere for the 737-300/400/500? My fear is that the last aircraft i purchased may indeed be THE last aircraft i will purchase...

michal

08-02-2005, 04:57 PM

>Are you beginning to see what the poster was trying to
>convey?

No Mike and I am surprised that you can't get it. I will leave it to you to figure it out why all these "hints" of yours are actually laughable. It is really not that complicated ...

Have fun figuering it out ...

Michael J.

michal

08-02-2005, 05:03 PM

>Basically what I was showing, was the 2d panel, with the
>grotesque center divider thing.

There is nothing grotesque about it .. except perhaps your comment.

Michael J.

metro752

08-02-2005, 05:05 PM

At the rate LDS released stuff, I'll be flying a real 757..............hopefully!

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Erick_Cantu

08-02-2005, 05:25 PM

Ebay, Buzz, Ebay!

Either way it's not far from what a non-DCC units would cost elsewhere (I seem to see them around $60). I got two brand-new Life-Like Proto FA-1s for about that much.

How's that F40 coming? ;)

buzzbenz

08-02-2005, 05:31 PM

>How's that F40 coming? ;)

Stuck behind a kitchen renovation! :)
It's farther than my HO model with the scratchbuilt frame is though - 11 years on that one and still counting! :D

And whenever i get a new house, and actually have a layout again, i'll get back into the "physical" modeling.

greggerm

08-02-2005, 05:58 PM

HAAAAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHA

I love PMDG's work - they do great addons, but I can't help but laugh at that picture and the *alleged* link. :)

Time will tell the quality of this addon, but one thing is for CERTAIN. $54.00 for the airplane is probably the most expensive airplane addon from a major developer, and that pricepoint will be a point of controversy for weeks to come...

-Greg

karlboy

08-02-2005, 06:00 PM

yup - what a time to do a server upgrade lol - PMDG certainly did not anticipate well the expected demand for their 747. i think i'll wait for all the bug reports to come in and some reviews before deciding on this one!

apollosmith

08-02-2005, 06:12 PM

I think I'm with you too - I'll wait a few days and see. I certainly don't want there to be problems with my credit card transaction or with activating the product. There were discussions with PMDG regarding their server infrastructure and I know they took steps a few weeks ago to mitigate any problems. I think that even they are totally surprised at the response.

If anybody finds CREDIBLE review information, post it here. In the meantime, I'm gunna sit back and watch everyone fight about how much popcorn costs. ;-)

-Smitty

Bob_Jacobs

08-02-2005, 06:36 PM

I love my PMDG 737-600/700 but I don't think I'll ever buy another PMDG product again for a few reasons.

1.) They build a product, such as the 737 and then charge $30 for what effectively is a patch in the form of the -800/900. To get the Southwest Airlines panel layout you need to buy the -800/900 even though Southwest Airlines only flys the -700 model.

2.) While their planes have fully featured FMC's, overhead panels and the like, they're missing basic elements such as marker beacon sounds, smooth trim...etc...let's hit the basics.

3.) Promises for a FREE update to the -600/700 models that would include the photo-realistic panels...I bought my 737 with that in mind, then they say that they don't have the resources...that's bull...they just want people to have to fork over the extra money and buy the patch!

4.) The 747-400 doesn't hold my interest. I'm a GA/Short Haul guy.

Best Regards,

ejoiner

08-02-2005, 06:44 PM

"Lamborghinis are expensive..." yup. So long as they dont deliver a Buick at a Lamborghini price. So long as its a fair value exchange, I dont have a problem with it. But at 60 bucks...thats a LOT of value to be delivered IMHO.

Eric

treefrog

08-02-2005, 07:14 PM

What u lot faffin on about., is it good or is it like ok ..doh:9

Mike T

08-02-2005, 07:26 PM

Grumpy today aren't we?

Mike T.

JRBarrett

08-03-2005, 12:28 AM

>
>2.) While their planes have fully featured FMC's, overhead
>panels and the like, they're missing basic elements such as
>marker beacon sounds, smooth trim...etc...let's hit the
>basics.
>

The PMDG NG does have marker beacon sounds - you just have to select the MB button on the audio panel (in the radio stack) to hear them.

Jim Barrett

crvm

08-03-2005, 12:58 AM

>It really is a mess. Even if you do buy it, there is no place
>to discuss specific technical issues right now. I can
>understand PMDG's desire to control everything but perhaps
>they should have left the distribution to someone else?
>Barring a technical problem with their servers, it appears
>they where woefully unprepared.
>
>Finally, one user on the PS1 site has several problems with
>some systems' logic, cracking sound and jerky simulation. We
>all know that every computer system is unique. Hopefully that
>gentleman's experience is not typical of the release.
>
>Bob....

Really? BTW, who is "Adrian"? A PS1 user? Oh that makes him an expert. Well "crackling" yeah could it be the STBY ATT noise? Hum. Well since you take his word you might like to see my reply..

http://744.hoppie.nl/forum.cgi/read/4928

Jerky is silly, utterly laughable really....

ha5mvo

08-03-2005, 01:25 AM

Randy,
I quote your own website:

" Functionality at the highest accuracy, programmed after engineering schematics to ensure everything behaves like on the real plane"

does everything really behave like on the real plane?

or is it a product for the "average simmer" as suggested by another member of your staff?

I'm confused...

//Michael

Erick_Cantu

08-03-2005, 01:49 AM

Yeah, I want to get back into real model railroading myself. When I get this room cleared out I wanna get some plywood and start building something, I have the tracks and the motive power, just nowhere to put it.

Now that all the zealots who keep telling me "OMGZ PMDGs 744 IS OWT LYK WHY RNT U BYING IT U R DUM BCUZ U DONT LIKE 747S" on my MSN list have shut up, next week, I may buy the thing and see if it's all that it's hyped up to be...

ram1220

08-03-2005, 02:01 AM

While I love my PMDG 737 600/700 and fly it almost every day, PMDG has priced me out of the 747. Way too much money for me and who knows if it will even work with FS10. No thanks PMDG.

VHOJT

08-03-2005, 03:22 AM

This constant batterring of a product before most people have even used it out is ridiculous:

Stop whining if you haven't used it - why there are people here picking faults in a PFD indicating 30 knots (the plane had obviously been slewed), complaining about the centre-post etc... what you really need to do is make informed suggestions/opinions, not a lot of coddywaddle bashing up a product you practically know nothing about.

When you consider how advanced PMDG are saying this aircraft is, and how much time and patience has gone into this product, one wouldn't suppose the price is too high. If you think it's too high, then wait for what the reviewers say - there's no need to complain about it. Simple, if you think the price is too high and you don't want it, then don't get it! Personally, I am sure it is worth every penny and intend to get it tomorrow.

Cheers,
VHOJT.

crvm

08-03-2005, 03:40 AM

>Randy,
>I quote your own website:
>
>" Functionality at the highest accuracy, programmed after
>engineering schematics to ensure everything behaves like on
>the real plane"
>
>does everything really behave like on the real plane?
>
>or is it a product for the "average simmer" as suggested by
>another member of your staff?
>
>I'm confused...
>
>//Michael

First off I am not in any with PMDG, second, it is for anyone but was created in the manner of the 737 series, that meaning it is a hard core sim, yet, someone should not let that get in the way of trying it out. If you can handle the likes of LDS, PMDG 737, Flight 1 etc than you can feel at home in the PMDG.

Take care

W2DR

08-03-2005, 05:33 AM

So, it's OK for you to say you are "sure it is worth every penny and intend to get it tomorrow", but it's not OK for anyone else to say it's too expensive and they won't buy it? Somehow that rings a bit off-tune.

Doug

jeffhunter

08-03-2005, 06:10 AM

What do you mean by non-complex?? Perhaps something equivalent to the MS default 747 (bleh)? Exactly how much would you pay?
Ever heard of supply and demand? If you don't want it, don't pay for it.
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jeffhunter

08-03-2005, 06:15 AM

Yeah, but I can't fly a lot of routes out of Australia in a 767 (let alone a 421C). I'd like to do Perth-Jo'burg, Sydney-LAX/HK/Tokyo. Bring it on, after all it's only worth the same as 2 bottles of Wild Turkey ;)
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jeffhunter

08-03-2005, 06:27 AM

Heh heh. Here's a pic of their server

http://online.vatsimindicators.net/847685/1704.png

W2DR

08-03-2005, 06:35 AM

Or one bottle of a really good whiskey :-) .

W2DR

08-03-2005, 06:35 AM

:-)

mgh

08-03-2005, 06:53 AM

Yet another thread on pricing of add-ons! :(

There is NO correct price for anything. In this case the developer can ask whatever price he chooses. The rest of can decide if we are prepared to pay that price or not. If we're not prepared to pay then we must do without it and the developer may lose money.

That's free enterprise and market forces at work.

jeffhunter

08-03-2005, 07:43 AM

Is that a slight against the gobbler?? ;), or do you mean whisky, as in single malt. I can get a bottle of Lagavulin (my fave)for about AUD90, which is roughly comparable
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Wichita

08-03-2005, 07:54 AM

>I love my PMDG 737-600/700 but I don't think I'll ever buy
>another PMDG product again for a few reasons.
>
>1.) They build a product, such as the 737 and then charge $30
>for what effectively is a patch in the form of the -800/900.
>To get the Southwest Airlines panel layout you need to buy the
>-800/900 even though Southwest Airlines only flys the -700
>model.
>
>2.) While their planes have fully featured FMC's, overhead
>panels and the like, they're missing basic elements such as
>marker beacon sounds, smooth trim...etc...let's hit the
>basics.
>
>3.) Promises for a FREE update to the -600/700 models that
>would include the photo-realistic panels...I bought my 737
>with that in mind, then they say that they don't have the
>resources...that's bull...they just want people to have to
>fork over the extra money and buy the patch!
>
>4.) The 747-400 doesn't hold my interest. I'm a GA/Short Haul
>guy.
>
>Best Regards,

Yeah,I'll agree with that. Sounds like the lite version of the upcoming Baron from Dreamfleet will be slightly less than $20.00 and will still be highly detailed.

An aircraft add-on that costs as much as the entire sim?!?!? Guess they can charge what they want but I'd think they'd sell ten times the amount if the price was say $25-30.00. Hard to imagine to that everyone is so worked up over the release that Avsim had to shut down their ENTIRE forum over one 747. Sheesh,what will happen over there when FS10 gets released??

David