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08-18-2004, 08:28 PM
I have the reality XP GNS530 for FS9 which functions just like the real one. I create flight plans in it using it's database of published departures, arrivals, and approaches. It will also save it into the Flight Simulator Files folder as 530xp.pln. How can I "file" that with the flight planner? when I click load, It will load it fine. but it's when I have to select ifr and then click finde route that it screws it up. None of the choices, GPS direct, VOR to VOR, high altitude, or low altitude seem to match it. Once I get up in the air, ATC starts ordering me off mt GPS course that the 530 is flying. It will not shut up telling me to expedite until I finally cancel IFR. It's no fun. How Do I file the Realistic flight plan I created in the 530 with MSFS?
08-19-2004, 05:44 AM
The FS2004 ATC "requires" you to file its "own" plan for it to follow, so, as you can't directly export the GNS530-created plan to FS you'll have to do it from another package.
There are several flight planners available that will export to FS and then can be activated and followed by ATC. Personally I use FSNavigator. The plan has to be duplicated in both the GNS530 and FSNavigator, exported from the latter then imported and activated as a flightplan from within FS.
There are other packages around, but the important bit is that you have to create the flightplan twice - once for FS and once for the GNS530. Your plane will follow the GNS530 flightplan just fine, but not ATC.
If this sounds like too much hassle, just use the GNS530 and get ATC to merely "flight follow". The ATC is still sufficiently undeveloped that I, personally, don't use it much !
If you're an "Angel Flight" (from your username) by rights you should be given priority anyway ! As a volunteer medic (although, sadly, not with air ambulances or the like) this is a subject dear to my heart !
08-19-2004, 08:50 AM
I don't know if you know how the real ATC works, but when you file a flight plan with the FSS it is like saying "May I?" When you call clearance delivery you are hoping for the magic words "cleard as filed". Typically though you get " I have a full route clearance for you", even though the route you filed was one given to you on the previous flight. Obviously this varies from place to place in this country and what you are flying.
General Aviation are the bottom feeders of the ATC world. Getting grandma and the 230 folks in the heavy iron around the sky is really more important than light aircraft who don't have schedules and limited landing facilities. Before anyone flames me about the above statement, I am one of those spam can drivers who have had to fly big boxes in the sky while 737s came into Albany and waited my turn till it calmed down.
Once you are in the sky, the controller is going to use all the tricks in the book to make traffic flow as quickly and as safely as he or she can. If that means throwing out your carefully worked out flight plan out the window to send you direct to east nowhere then south to end of the world VOR they will. Again, in the real world it depends on the aircraft type. They don't string out 747s all over the country simply because it is not safe to do so.
If you have access to this months issue of AOPA pilot read the article about the guy learing to fly instruments with the SR-22 and a glass cockpit. He flys a bunch of approaches in the L.A. airspace and ends up doing a lot of knob twisting to change flight plans. I would love to be able to file a flight plan, fire up the plane and have clearance delivery give me what I asked for. Unless you have intimate local knowledge, you will end up frantically searching your enroute chart while the engine is running to find that waypoint that sounds more like Klingon curse than an English word.
While we may enjoy getting slam danced in the clouds and challanging level 4 storms in the sim, there is no sweeter sound than "cleared direct to" to a pilots ears. If you notice on a lot of FMCs and GPS, the direct to button is quite prominant. This should give you some indication how much it is used.
08-20-2004, 12:21 PM
I've had several talks with the pilots for my company's Challengers and Gulfstreams about FS's "not using STARS".
These guys fly into the LA airspace, Dallas airspace, NYC airspace, Chicago airspace, Miami airspace and DC airspace at least weekly.
They tell me that almost 100% of the time, they get "Direct to" an intersection, skipping most of the waypoints on the STAR. Frequently cutting across corners, etc.
I've even had them fly my Wilco CRJ into KSNA in FS. The "unrealistic" thing they see in FS is being given headings to fly and not told to go to named intersections - even if they are in Klingon.
Yes, that "Direct" button gets a workout on the FMS.
If we wanted "As real as it gets", FS would reject a huge precentage of the flight plans we try to file.
08-20-2004, 11:58 PM
The RealityXP GNS530 doesn't have that capability to my knowledge. I usually create the plan in FS9 first, save it as a flight, then duplicate the plan in the GNS530. This may have been addressed in the RealityXP forums; try checking it out there.
Hope it helps!
08-21-2004, 01:19 PM
You are on the right track, just click Load, then just fly it...
The GPS will use it, and ATC will also.
When you click -find- route, it changes it to FS9's routing.
If you want to use -find route- then just forget XP GNS530... ;)
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