View Full Version : First time buying payware aircraft

05-12-2004, 07:11 AM
I bought the FSD Navajo Panter and the FSD Cheyenne 400s and the PMDG Beech 1900D. This is the first time I bought payware anything other than FSUIPC. I am Very impressed and think it was worth the money for the FSD aircraft but I am disappointed in the 1900. The 1900 looks very nice and flys on the numbers but has pretty well the default kingair panel in it. Don't get me wrong for $14 it is nice but I thought it would have been a little more in depth about the aircraft. On the other hand the Navajo and Cheyenne are the best aircraft I have flown or had in FS. I flew Navajos in real life for a year and the FS one is right on in performance, visual model/panel other than the GPS should be weather radar or at least the one I flew. The Cheyenne is awesome also, I have never flown one in real life but it seems like it is real like the Navajo. Anyways I am really happy with my FSD aircraft now and suggest them to anyone. The PMDG 1900D is very nice visually but doesn't have the real world aspect of it but it is still nice. I was wondering if there is anyway to return a payware aircraft and get your money back for it? If not oh well at least I have a 1900 that looks real. Cheers!

P.S. FSD ROCKS!!!!!!!

05-12-2004, 07:18 AM
Sorry. I dont think pmdg have a return policy. Thats why you should always read reviews before you buy.

05-12-2004, 07:27 AM
Yeh that is what I thought. I did read the review and I like the B1900D and thought for $14 at least I would have a good visual model. Don't get me wrong I still like it I just wish it had a little more to it system wise. Cheers!

05-12-2004, 08:11 AM
Hey mate I too am over the moon with any of my purchases from FSD.

With the PMDG 1900 I hear what your saying but I have never purchased it because of reading about it being a sort of express release.

BUT and thats a big BUT I am a proud owner of there jets...if you ever like flying 737`s then dont hesitate to buy there`s.
(heheh as long as your system is 1/2 decent)

05-12-2004, 12:37 PM
The quote above is from our forums at Virtual Frontier, where several pilots have this 1900 and love it. As far as where to get the Reality XP gauges mentioned, I'm not sure, but it definitely sounds like a fix that would make you happier birdie. I'll ask where the guy from our site found them and let you know.

05-12-2004, 03:09 PM
The 1900D is part of the PMDG Express line and as such is focused more on the visual model and flight characteristics than being a true to life simulation of the airplane's systems. The Reality XP JL2 gauges do make the plane much nicer to fly - www.reality-xp.com

If you're looking for detailed systems from PMDG, get the 737NG - I promise you won't be disapointed!


05-12-2004, 03:20 PM
I bought the Seneca V about a year or so ago and love that plane but when the Navajo came out I picked it up as well and just can't seem to get it to work w/ my system. It kills my framerates. (12fps at the most, when the default aircraft I get 40FPS at altitude and 20-25 at larger graphic intensive airports.) It takes forever to change views. Any suggestions on what I can do aside from buying a new computer to make this plane run better on my system? I love the plane, look and feel (from what I can feel :)

Asus A7N8X Dlx
Barton 2500+
512 DDR PC2700 (333) Ram
7200 hard drives
ATI 9500pro 128mb Graphics card

Any advice would be appreciated. I'm always hearing about how people love this plane but I just can't get it smooth.

05-12-2004, 04:07 PM
May I make a suggestion that just might help your system perform better while using the Navajo. Go to our FSD web site and look under repaints. You will find there DXT3 versions of our repaints. USe these instead of the high resolution textures we provided with the default install. These textures as much more Frame rate friendly, but you will loose a bit of the quality. But in return your system will have an easier time with the textures.

Hope this helps a bit.



05-12-2004, 04:18 PM
Thanks Jim!!! I'll try it out. I really do think this is a beautiful plane but so far I just haven't been able to spend much time w/ it because of the stutter issues. (and I do mean stutter, we're talking 60 seconds to change views, I'll be uping my RAM soon hopefully that will help a little.) I'll check out the repaints. I know my system isn't a powerhouse or anything but 1.8ghz ain't exactly a Pentium II either. I was just planning on holding the plane until I upgrade my system in the next year or so :) Thanks again.


05-12-2004, 07:09 PM
Yep with FSD - excellent aircraft they make there. PMDG 1900D - yea with the default King Air BUT I have RXP's Garmin 530, the Weather Radar and JL2 - since they have a mod for those the panel is GREAT with these additions. And of course it flies beautifully.

05-12-2004, 07:22 PM
Beware, buying payware is addictive. I just started a couple months ago and I've spent $275 CDN on it already.

I have the FSD Seneca and I love everything about it except for the panel. I personally don't like how they put so much on the panel at once and used small gauges to accomodate it. I'd much rather remove the GPS and Autopilot controls from the right and have the panel zoomed it. I have a 21" monitor and I find it impossible to read the numbers on the engine gauges. Personal preference I guess.

I also just got the PMDG Beech 1900D. The plane looks and flies great. As you said it isn't an indepth simulator, but more of a just pick up and fly aircraft, which is another reason I like it. Between long scheduled IFR flights it's nice just to hop in, fire up the engines and fly.

05-13-2004, 05:29 AM
I am sorry if I seemed to come down too hard on the PMGD 1900, Like I said I did read the review and thought for only $14 I was worth it and it is(Visual and Flight Dynamics). I posted this on 3 forums(Avsim, Simviation, and Flightsim), everyone pretty much said get the reality-xp gauges. I did look at these and at first I was thinking that they cost just as much as the planes for eash one(WX radar, GPS, EFIS)not worth it, but from the replies I think I might splurge and get them now :). Cheers!!

P.S. Thanks for your input. And about the PMDG 737 I know it is a good one but right now I like the props. In the future I will probably buy it.

05-13-2004, 08:42 AM
I had my first fun flight in the Navajo last night. Thanks for the info on the lower resolution repaints for the plane. That made all the difference. It's nice to be able to fly this plane finally w/o all the hang ups and FPS problems. Such an incredible virtual cockpit (which is where I spend most of my time). Thanks again for the info Jim.


05-13-2004, 11:19 AM
The PMDG B1900 "Express" is an excellent aircraft, well worth the modest price. The panel is the only area where it is less than prototypical, and the cure for that, for someone who wants it, is to go to the site listed above and acquire the add-on panel.

To complain about the PMDG B1900 Express being inadequate doesn't make sense to me. PMDG clearly describes their Express version for what it is: a less complex, "get in and fly it" aircraft. Therefore, why would someone buy it, then complain?


05-14-2004, 03:08 AM
What would be considered the creme de la creme of twin turboprops as far as flight dynamics and detailed modeling of all systems. I like the detail. I'm looking for the turboprop equivalent of the PMDG 737NG. I was thinking it would be the B1900 but now I'm not so sure.

05-14-2004, 04:10 AM
As has been stated above, the Beech 1900D was marketed as being the first of their "economy range" and so doesn't have all the systems modelled, but the flight dynamics are first rate.

As for turboprops, you may want to look at the Flight1 Meridian and the new Cessna 441 Conquest II. The Meridian has more systems modelled than in most other planes of this type, in particular it has a working pressurization system, and both it and the Conquest have first-rate flight dynamics.

In development at present is the Flight1 Pilatus PC-12. I have no information on it other than what's available at their site, but it may well have many systems modelled.

Also consider the ATR-72, due out fairly shortly. This may also meet your exacting requirements.


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