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03-17-2004, 05:35 PM
Just switched from a CRT to a LCD display.
Unfortunately I have severe distortion problems.
In FS9 the plane looks okay from the outside but the instruments are oval on te 2D panel. 3D panel is okay.
In LOMAC it's the other way round.
The panel and instruments look okay, but when viewed from the outside, the whole plane is shortened, the wheels are oval etc...
Any ideas before I take it back tommorow ?
BTW the image quality is superb.
Bernt Stolle Capt 767
03-17-2004, 06:19 PM
Hmm, what screen resolution are you running at. Also , most LCD's have a best inbuilt screen res based on the actual numbers of pixels. Is your monitor like a widescreen or something ?
What model is the monitor by the way ?
Sounds like a settings problem , not a hardware problem to me but I'm no expert.
Sounds like a resolution problem to me also. LCD monitors work best in the resolution they are made for. You can't change them like a CRT monitor.
03-17-2004, 07:00 PM
That's interesting. All the more reason to save my hard earned money. If they only work in ONE resolution...that kinda defeats my FS9 settings...don't it?
I'm very happy...all those "expensive" 21"+ monitors will be so cheap! I think I'll buy me a few.
Y'all run right out and buy a new LCD or Plasma screen...y'hear? Get as many as you can! I'll be buying up all the 21"+ CRT's I can find.
I prefer "choice"...sounds like my CRT's still have it. I'll have enough of them, at a cheap price, to last my lifetime!
LCD/plasma...it's the way to go! Spread the word!
03-17-2004, 07:57 PM
LCD monitors are still a bad choice for any serious gamer for exactly the reasons you're talking about.
I won't even get into the ghosting, dead pixel, and contrast ratio issues they have...
But if I weren't a gamer I'd be an LCD convert today.
Those things RULE for general web surfing, viewing pictures, and oh boy if you watch a DVD on one it's amazing.
If I had money and space to burn I'd have an LCD and a CRT with some sort of switch, and both monitors on a swivel arm platform.
I really would.
03-17-2004, 09:24 PM
LCDs are getting much better these days. A lot depends on which one you buy. I bought one of the latest 17inch Sonys and there is no way I could go back to a CRT. This native resolution is 1280x1040 but I run my Desktop at 1024x768 and FS9 at 1152x864 and they both look GREAT. The latest LCDSs use advanced interpolation (or something) for changing resolutions and things only start blurring if you go down to 640x400. As far as Gaming, I notice no ghosting (16ms) and it looks hellava lot better than a CRT. A few things I don't like is angle view starts yellowing or looks like an Xray if you look at from the sides, but who does that? The other thing is flying at night is better with a CRT as LCDs just don't seem to get as black. This is all just my opinion of course. I have seen some LCDs that look like crapola if you change the resolution. So do some research before you buy. Mine's a SONY SDM-73 I bought at Newegg for 419 + shipping. Couldn't be happier.
03-18-2004, 12:04 AM
Tried everything. sigh :-(
The native resolution is 1280x1024.
So naturally I tried that. No joy.
Switching from 1280x1024 to 1280x960 or 1280x768 produces the same results !?!?
Strange enough, the distorted picture AND the undistorted picture appears in the same sim, depending if you are in an external or internal view.
It's a Sony 17" with 16ms response time.
So no ghosting, no dead pixels, just an awesome picture quaility.
But I guess that was it. There is no way I'm going to fly with egg-shaped instruments in my C-310 or a toy-like Su27.
Bernt Stolle Capt CRJ
03-18-2004, 09:46 AM
Hope you are well and thriving.
I use an LCD for windows xp and non sim work, but beautiful though the image is for ordinary use, my CRT 19 inch screen can't be beaten for quality, colour and movement in FS9. The LCD just can't keep up with movement in simulators and displays a certain amount of "jitter". This can be slightly improved by matching the refresh rate to be more in sync with the sim. However I don't see any perceivable distortion as you describe.
I have my eye on a new Sony 19 inch LCD which at last has a digital as well as analogue connection. In the shop the picture looks pin sharp but it's quite hard to persuade the salesman to run FS9 on it, and I wouldn't buy one unless I could test this.
03-18-2004, 01:12 PM
You dont have to fly with "egg" shaped instruments...
Try this, move cursor to edge of the panel, pull it in just like you would change the shape or size of a Window. When you get the instruments the shape you want, save it as the default flight.
Ive been doing this for years with some addon panels, that dont fit my monitor perfectly. Usually, I have to pull most every panel up from the bottom or down from the top, until the instruments are correct. Panel and Sky are seperate, once you have it right, you can also adjust your sky, so it fills the window.
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03-18-2004, 03:32 PM
Yes, thanx :-)
Your SF260 and the Decathlon are still two of the VERY few extra planes on my HD.
Kingair315, thanx for your tip, it worked.
Still thinking about a better solution. I'll let you know.
FYI It's a 17" Sony SDM-HS73P. No DVI.
GPU is GeForce Ti4400 until next week.
I bought a ATI 9800 Pro and the difference in picture quality is awesome.
It's not faster than the Ti4400 BUT with 8x AA and 16x ANISO.
Images are much sharper and the textures don't blur in the distance.
So today I brought the 9800 back to the shop for the guys to build a new rig around the card.
(P4 3.4 Northwood)
No, I don't have too much money but my 40th birthday is coming up rapidly and my wife is happy that this is a suitable present and my company paid me a 767 type rating.
So everything looks VERY o.k. :-))
So here are the details for none egg shaped wheels and instruments.
Lo-mac: open the graphics.cfg and alter the aspect = 1.33333 which is valid for CRT monitors
to 1.25 which is correct for LCDs e.g. 1280x1024
IL2: open the config.ini and manually enter the 1280x1024 res.
You do get a black border on the top and the bottom but it's undistorted now.
I'll let you know if I find a better solution.
FS9: Just follow Kingair315's advice
The response time of 16ms is perfect.
This LCD is unbelievable impressive.
No dead pixels, no ghosting etc..
All the best and thanx to all of you,
Bernt Stolle Capt 767
03-18-2004, 10:35 PM
I just moved to a 20 inch Planar LCD from an excellent Viewsonic G790 and I will never go back to a CRT.
Hope this helps,
Yes but did you buy it with your own money,
or is it a work machine? Wink!
Peter Sydney Australia
03-20-2004, 12:35 AM
I agree, AFA "general usage", zoynyne. We have 27 LCD monitors in the power plant control room I work in. The main advantage, so far, has been the lack of "burn in"...we generally keep one graphic loaded on each monitor during normal operations (all that goes out the window when the excretus strikes the rotating ventilation device!). We have had the "dead pixel" problem you mentioned...but we live with it until it becomes a problem. The only other "issue" has been teaching other operators about refresh rates and "maximizing". For some reason, most of our LCD monitors will only "maximize" if you have a "correct" refresh rate set...otherwise, when you try, the screen flashes on and off and the whole control proggy has to be restarted. With 19, generally computer illiterate, other CRO's, you can imagine the fun.
03-20-2004, 01:31 AM
My LCD is run in 1280x 1024 which is why I get the same oval instruments. But I don't care about that because I only run the 2D panel probably not even 1% of the time. I love my LCD and how much space it saves. It's 18" too. Great monitor!!
03-20-2004, 09:59 AM
LOL....my own little plastic card and they'll send me a bill each month!! The kids needed my old screen and the wifey gave her permission!
Hope this helps,
03-20-2004, 10:39 AM
Whatever the LCD problems were in the past, I must admit that my new Toshiba 17 1/2" laptop LCD (P4 2.8) puts out a much better picture with FS9 than I would have ever expected.
A couple of years ago, when purchasing my desktop cpu, I made comparisons & went the 22" CRT ( now a new 21" crt). But.......... I'm not having a ghosting problem with the laptop & enjoy using FS9 with it.
I will pull in the sides for 2D panels though, if I ever get around to it..
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