forum police

[teecee]

So now we cannot discuss framerates and videocards on this forum (see the most recent lockout re this subject) I do not want to go to the hardware forum, the subject is relevant to most of us here.
I have had it with the heavyhanded Forum Police.
I do not think I will be reading this forum from here on.
Cheers Guys, you can lock this thread now. Teecee.

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[drobson]

What can I say? The members here asked for, and received a Hardware, Video and Audio forum. The only way that is going to be successful, is to have those topics posted in that forum. I guess we could close the Hardware forum, and allow those types of posts here once again. But, then we'd have people complaining about "all the hardware" posts here.

I guess we are "damned if we do, damned if we don't".

Darrell

[slarente]

I vote to keep the hardware forum! The is the best situation. If somebody is looking for advice about vid card or drivers, it would be easy to find the info if everything is in the same place.

And the FS2004 forum would be for ... FS2004! I must admit that, although the hardware questions were useful sometimes, I was getting really annoyed by those post (and re-posts) often about the same subject that was addressed the day before...

[davidvoogd]

I'm also for the hardware forum, I got sick of all the FS2004 forum topics being the repeated "what causes flickering with ATI (not an issue anymore)" and garbage like that, the worst is when poeple don't bother with the search function first.

I enjoy helping people out, but save everyone some time ask in the right spot, and search for the answer first.

[Garrett67]

Darrell,

I am obviously familiar with the forums , so I know my way around , plus I have this particular page bookmarked so I can just come directly to it. But, I know some people come here through the flightsim.com homepage and it also takes them here ( I think)..... anyway , it can be a little confusing seeing that this is a FS2004 forum so I dont' think people even consider looking elsewhere. Which brings me to my point. The 'stickies' at the top of the page blend in and dont' stand out at all, they just look like every other post. Is it possible to change the heading color to make it stand out and make it one size larger so people actually notice it? I am sure most people come here directly and dont' even notice (or bother to look) for other areas within the forums. You could even make this page http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/kds?$=fs2004/dcforum.htm
goto the forum index instead of the page that it is . Hopefully that made sense.

As for Moderators 'policing' the forums, that is why they are here, to keep things in order. Even though most of us are grown adults, this place would be in total chaos if there wasn't someone watching over the boards....... You know this is true.

Must keep things in order !

[drobson]

Hi Garrett,

Not sure if there is any way to change the anchored posts so that they stand out better. I'll certainly ask the powers that be if that is possible. One other thing that might help, is if the link from the main page went to the main forum page, rather than the FS2004 forum.

I'll check into these two items, and see what happens.

Thanks,

Darrell

[Garrett67]

Yeah, I think that would help. I guess I was editing my post as you were writing that LOL

[rservice]

Well Teecee, I guess its not possible to please everybody, but I think the moderators in most cases give the post a gentle nudge in the direction of the correct department, I don't consider it policing, just constructive re-direction.

[beana5]

HI TERRY, Just to let you know personaly I like seeing the many varieties of some very interesting and informative posts here.Yours included.Today in fact we have had much to express about the new nvidia driver.The monitors, all in all do what is expected to maintain order and civilty. Not easy. So far this forum is not broke, it really dont need fixing. Fact is were are still talking, and thats good.
"YA CAN PLEASE SOME OF THE PEOPLE SOME OF THE TIME,MOST OF THE PEOPLE MOST OF THE TIME,BUT YA CANT PLEASE ALL THE PEOPLE ALL OF THE TIME" Terry, fly with us a little longer
REGARDS VIN ;)

[Bigshot]

A small group of posters complained about this very subject at avsim and got the hardware posts banned from the general forum. Then, that same small group of posters came here and accomplished the same thing. Reminds me of Greenpeace. Save the whales, oh my gosh!

Problem is hardware goes with the game. It's an integral part of the game. Why wouldn't you expect a lot of questions in the FS2004 about hardware and problems. Aren't we here to help each other along.

I say since it's all integrated, let it all be posted together. If you don't like a particular thread subject, noone is forcing you to click on it. Leave the hardware forum for those oddities, like router questions and the like. Hardware questions like video cards and drivers and cpu and ram questions, belong right here in the main FS2004 forum.

My $50 dollars worth.

[ThatXrayGuy]

I think it is a great idea in principle that we have a seperate forum for hardware. My only concern is that the posts may not get viewed as much bc less people are likely to go there compared to the FS2004 forum.

But on the other hand I suppose the people with a special interest in hardware (the ones who read the posts) would be most apt to help anyway. Oh well..at least it's still covered that's the important thing :-)

Steve

[zoynyne]

Well it would help if the hardware forum was on the forum list on the main page....

[jacdan]

I don't mind the seperate Hardware forum. I got some good advice from the people there when upgrading to a new system. My post seeking advice might have gone unnoticed here in the '04 forum. Not to say that there aren't any helpful 'puter techies here but with all the simulator issues that are dealt with in this forum, off-topic posts tend to disappear out of sight.


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[flyinggriffin]

I agree that the hardware questions should be in a different forum. There are endless rounds of what computer should I buy, my card gets more frames per second than yours. Catalyst drivers are the pits,etc etc etc.

No, I dont have to read the posts, but they do push questions about flying the sim down and away to the back of the line. That is my objection.

[drobson]

Can't miss it if you use this link: http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/dcforum/dcboard.cgi

Click on that link and put it in your favorites. Should take you right to the main forums page.

http://www.flightsim.com/dcforum/User_files/405788f56eba0662.jpg

Maybe the link from the main FS.com site will be changed to bring people to this link, I don't know. I always use the link above, and if everyone would do the same, it would probably free up some nodes at the main site. (Everyone should logout of the main site when done browsing, IMO).

Darrell

[zoynyne]

Yeah, but I was talkng about the main page - I know where to find the hardware forum, but anyone visiting flightsim.com and then hitting the "main menu" link will not find it on that list.

[jasho]

There are very good points to both sides. It is a little difficult to draw the line between FS2004 related questions and Hardware related questions as said above, hardware is an important factor in FS9. Of course, the rule would be that the FS2004 forum would be software related questions to FS2004 only and the Hardware forum for everything else. Yes, a little strict, but it's here to benefit everyone. At first, I agree that the Hardware forum was a little slow, but it's slowly picking up pace and is starting to become a pretty active forum. But, the question I have is if you go over to the Hardware forum, would you like all those posts here in the FS2004 forum? As a matter of fact, this has been discussed a few times before, not only with hardware, but other topics relating to FS9:

http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=6345&forum=DCForumID21

http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=6047&forum=DCForumID21

http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=10330&forum=DCForumID21


Oh...and my personal favorite

http://www.flightsim.com/cgi/dcforum/dcboard.cgi?az=show_thread&om=2931&forum=DCForumID21

~Jason

[budreiser]

From what I see, D. Robson is THE Moderator. This guy is as diplomatic as you can ask for, and, in my opinion, think we all owe him thanks for doing a great volunteer job that I personally would not want. Before you badmouth someone, put yourself in their shoes. If being called a Forum Police is a compliment, he's got my vote.

[_IceMan_]

i fully agree with Terry.

i do not post much but i do most of my browsing from work in my breaks and its easier to scan the FS2004 forum than have to switch between this and other forums such as the new hardware one. i garentee once that people will start posting back over here saying "i am just posting here as no one will reply to my post in hardware". atleast in general you get hits on your thread by a vast majority of people and have more of a chance of getting some help. alot of flightsim users are working people like myself who only get a limited time to have a surf on the forums and like to go through all the topics they can in that time. if you split them up it makes it more difficult.

ok well thats my 2 cents worth and its a shame to loose people like Terry (Teecee) over issues like this.

Benny

[W2DR]

Terry -

Forum Police? Again? :-) I've been around this, and other MSFS forums, about as long as anyone (since the beginning). And, this issue of "hardware-posts-in-the-MSFS-forum" has always been of great controversy. Because of the close relationship between performance and hardware I, too, would like to see all the posts in one place. I, for one, seldom visit the "hardware" forums. But, it's important to remember that there are lots views on this and whether or not we are in the majority or minority really doesn't matter. The only vote that counts is from the guy that pays the bills here (and at the Other Place). I don't think it's fair to the moderators to categorize moving the hardware-related posts as "police work". They're just doing that for which they get their virtual pay. So I hope you'll change your mind , have a virtual beer, or two, and stick around. (Besides, they do it at the Other Place too :-) .

Hoping to see you back,

Doug

[gary2]

C'mon Terry: This place won't be the same without you. I've enjoyed your contributions over the months.
No point in posting if it doesn't contain an opinion so here's mine. If I had all the time in the world to look through each post to see if it's of interest I'd never get any flying in. So my recommendation is to have some of the major stuff organized so it's easy to get to fast. Can U imagine a dictionary not in alphabetical order :-hmmm So I guess I come down on the side of having separate conferences (forums, if U like to call them) I'd hate to think what would have resulted if the different versions of FS were all being discussed in a single forum.
Not trying to change the subject but have U ever noticed a post containing a single "bump" followed by 14 lines of the guys 'puter specifications. :)
Gary

[nwabri]

Hey...

Am I just a pee-on then!? :-)

[gary2]

:) You said it ...I didn't.... only kidding but I would like to correct U... the word is "pee-upon"
Gary:-wave