FSDS2 aircraft work, but FSDS aircraft DON'T

[panzerschiffe]

LAST EDITED ON Jun-28-03 AT 12:27PM (EDT)[p]Say goodbye forever to all your FSDS aircraft when you upgrade to FS2004, they do not work. Neither do DF737 or PIC767 (without a patch). PSS Dash 8 works, but some of the gauges will not appear. Apparently FS2004 brought with it some changes in how it handles vector gauges, causing them to not appear.

FSDS2 aircraft do work however. Start holding your breath.

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[MIKEYORCHIE]

nooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!! at least all of posky's Gmax aircraft work :-)

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[Bigshot]

Does that mean the Falcon 50 won't work! Isn't that an FSDS aircraft. The pride of the fleet!!!!!!!

[panzerschiffe]

I don't know about the panel or avionics, but the visual model will not work.

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[vcaptmattsmith]

How do we know this? It's not that I don't trust you, just there's been many rumors flying around of late. I was under the impression that everything that had been made following the developer's kit worked.

Nels? Do you have any information you can give us?

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[MD83]

I think that many people are going to get a shock when they load their older planes into FS2004 :-lol Microsoft aren't legally bound to the SDK rules, and neither are the aircraft designers ....

I feel that many people's deluded optimism will be shattered in Late July/Early August ;)

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[PutPut]

This statement appears to be true. I have an extensive libary of both FSDS and FSDS2 designs here at flightsim.com. I recently sent 2 FSDS designs and 2 FSDS2 designs to a friend of mine who is a beta tester for FS2004. The FSDS designs did not show and the FSDS2 designs worked just fine. A little thought explains the situation; FSDS was optimized for FS2000 where the .mdl file was a form of a .dll file. FSDS2 was optimized for FS2002 where the .mdl file is something other than a .dll file (the name escapes me). Bruce Thorson explained this very well in a response at the FFDS design forum some time ago. Unless someone develops a hack for the .mdl file the only solution appears to be to take the FSDS .fsc and run it through FSDS2 which basically means redoing all the animations and then compiling into FS2004. Cheers--------Paul

[CombatAce]

Simflyers KJFK was tested in FS2004 so the FSDS Scenery works but not the aircrafts :-(

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[heyer]

>..., they do not
>work. Neither do DF737 or
>PIC767 (without a patch).

Well that's just plain easy: In case you're actually right with that there will be no FS9 for me and be sure that I won't ever regret. But maybe some ignoramuses in Redmont/WA will...

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[panzerschiffe]

Wasn't simflyers JFK made in GMAX? If so I'd expect it to work. I wonder if one of their older sceneries (KEWR or KATL) would have problems.



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[Thomas_Cook]

Hi all!

Does somewone knows or Airbus A320 Pro (PSS) will work on FS 2004?

I think the devloppers will design a patch ...

At least, I hope so ...

Greeties,

Thomas Cook

[Dkoy]

LAST EDITED ON Jun-30-03 AT 04:27AM (EDT)[p]I guess not. It requires FSUIPC.DLL as a lot of other add ons.

So until Pete Dowson is finished with a version for FS2004, - I don't think it will work.

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[panzerschiffe]

In the case with DF737 and 767PIC, the visual models won't work. As for the avionics and panels, they might work, they might not, depending on whether FS2004 can still tolerate all the little trainer programs that they use. If we have the same compatibility problems as there were with some panels migrating from FS2000 to FS2002, it's gonna be a headache moving on to FS2004.

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[heyer]

Who will ever be willing to sacrifice his beloved DF B737-400 for some fluffy pieces of cotton wool and a handful of historic museum planes?

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[wee_davie]

LAST EDITED ON Jun-30-03 AT 01:35PM (EDT)[p]>I guess not. It requires FSUIPC.DLL
>as a lot of other
>add ons.
>
>So until Pete Dowson is finished
>with a version for FS2004,
>- I don't think it
>will work.

In Pete's original announcment that FSUIPC was going payware, he said that the developers should contact him. I wonder if there will be deals going on, especially with the commercial products that require the .dll?

Also PSS have said that they will provide everything necessary for the buses (and all their other products I assume) to work in FS9. I assume that will mean they will be providing the required parts needed from FSUIPC. This could possibly mean a limited use version with only the bits required to operate the addon being usable and all other added functionality being 'greyed out'.

I feel if they (PSS and other commercial) didn't release the upgrade to existing users without charge their would be an uproar. As we are all well aware there are still plenty of FS users that grudgingly part with their cash for commercial add-ons.

Personally I'll just keep FS02 on my comp aswell as FS9 when it arrives so that I can still fly the PSS buses until a fix is made.

Cheers

David

P.S. Has anyone tested a PSS/Meljet 744 hybrid in FS9 yet to see if the panel still has full functionality?

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[Jeff_DCA]

Well, Lou Betti who worked on the 737 is amazed at FS2004, and heck, if it's good enough for him....

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[heyer]

There's always one hope left! ;-)

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[CombatAce]

KJFK by Simflyers was done in FSDS, check thier Forum's and you'll see :-)

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[argueman99]

I very highly doubt we'll see a PIC767 patch for 2004. Parts of the team didn't even want to do a patch for 2002.

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[cwr737]

I can't speak for either of these companies officially, but Dreamfleet has pledged to make all of their products compatible with FS2004. It would be nice to see this title get a complete overhaul. With the PMDG NG models coming out soon it is starting to look pretty long in the teeth.

Who knows with PIC. Wilco isn't my favorite publisher. But if the panel works, I'll keep flying it with the POSKY GMAX 767-300s. Never liked the visual model that came with the panel anyways - I'm not at all unhappy that it won't work in the new version.

This happens with every new release. Somebody has to start running around screaming "the sky is falling, the sky is falling" or "look what those big jerks at MS screwed up this time" for reasons I can only guess at.

It happened with 2002 in a big way, if anyone cares to remember. Reputable publishers have known about the specs for FS2004 for a while and are likely at work as we speak on updating their products. Both PIC and the DF737 were patched up for 2002 and work just fine.

Colin

[Owain_Robinson]

Folks,

This has been on the boards and been juggled around so much. In fact most of the developers and site owners know this and have let their users know it. Microsoft was following the conversations and we now look forward to a sim (FS9) with unbounded potential. We knew from the beginning announcement that the "really old" models were due to go or must be upgraded by FSDS2. Any developer still interested in those models will recompile and offer them again. Subsequently MS retains the hold on this "vast market" ;-)

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[Owain_Robinson]

Is that right Tom?

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[N400QW]

Our FSDS2 Premier1 works just peachy in FS2004:-)

Best,

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[faosfx]

LAST EDITED ON Jun-30-03 AT 11:57PM (EDT)[p]FSDS aircraft do not work? Are these aircraft from another version of flight simulator if so that may be the problem. FSDS2 and gMax all create an MDL that FS can read. FSDS2 will create an MDL that will have the same charasteristics of an Gmax one they can not be different.

You ough to check the aircraft...If I am not mistaking FSDS (first version) was designed for FS2000. However, not all aircraft will work as some developers clearly state "FS2000 only version"

Id check with the developer of that FSDS aircraft chances are FS2004 no longer supports FSDSI MDLs.

Thats all I had to say.

[faosfx]

hey look on the bright side atleast this will push developers into releasing another version of that FSDS aircraft with yet more advanced features so be on the look out!

[Tokra]

Brilliant move by Simflyers. Release a payware that will be obsolete in just over a month.

[atr_42_500]

LAST EDITED ON Jul-01-03 AT 03:38AM (EDT)[p]>Who will ever be willing to
>sacrifice his beloved DF B737-400
>for some fluffy pieces of
>cotton wool and a handful
>of historic museum planes?

Not me! Untill I'll have proofs DF 737 & German Airports work in ACOF I won't get it!

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[lonewulph]

Let not your hearts be troubled...
We have been in contact with Louis Sinclair, he is on top of it by recently making the necessary changes to be better compatible with 2004.
Developers of fs2000 aircraft can easily import, and recompile a compatible aircraft.
Deep breaths...work with me here. :)

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[MTheisen]

Hm, Panzerschiffe, I don´t know you´re real name and I can´t remember having seen your name in the FS09 beta list of beta members so before you post such statements better be careful to have the original FS9 Gold version............

It may be that some aircraft and sceneries won´t work right now but will when being patched.

Concerning Simflyers scenery, they all work without problems in my legal and official gold version of FS2004.

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[panzerschiffe]

LAST EDITED ON Jul-01-03 AT 08:02AM (EDT)[p]If you read my posts, you will see that I only mentioned FSDS aircraft do not work. I don't know about the sceneries. FSDS2 aircraft do work. As for the avionics and panel, I'm not sure. But some aircraft will have issues with some gauges, just as some gauges had issues going from FS2000 to FS2002. That is what I have written.

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[MTheisen]

Anyways, it should be clear that some add-ons won´t work some others will. But hey, we had the same from 98-2000 and from 2000-2002. So I dunno where the problem is. Well, the problem seems to be the unpatience of today´s world. Why not sit back and relax, enjoying FS2002 and wait until the patches for all the addon software comes out? It´s only a question of time because if they won´t patch it they won´t sell it anymore and that´s not the intention of a (payware) developper.

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[daviator]

I consider myself to be the number one fan of FSDS (being a primary beta tester on FSDS 2.0 and a friend of it's author).

It's time to move up to FSDS 2.0. Those models are far superior to FSDS 1.0 and yes, superior to Gmax models in many ways. Most hard core MDL hacks I know will tell you that FSDS 2.2 (Oops, Did I say 2.2? I meant 2.0 <g>) produces a cleaner MDL than does Gmax.

OK, I'm not trying to restart the Gmax vs. FSDS debate. Either FSDS 2.2 or Gmax will produce fine models for FS2004. Please don't flame me Gmaxer's, I'm just playin' with ya.

Ask the authors of your favorite FSDS 1.6 models if they'll update them to 2.2 I have found in most cases, my models take 4-5 evenings to convert and re-animate. That is because I end up adding new features not previously available. Otherwise, I could do it in an evening.

Think about it, do you want AF99 models to work in FS2004? That would look silly.

Just be thankful that MS left FSDS 2.0 alone for FS2004. They really hosed us and themselves by supporting only Gmax models in CFS3. What is CFS3? It was MS's feeble attempt at improving CFS2.

Dave
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[panzerschiffe]

Just look at how many new aircraft have been made for CFS3 and you'll see what developers think of it...

OK now that you've seen all 4 or 5 of them, read on...

I'm hoping that the original developers still have the source files for their FSDS aircraft so that they can updated using FSDS2. And I can't wait for the next FSDS2 update either!

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[Bagman]

I'm slowly reworkin em..... Will take some time since I did so many. Got the Yak 52 in the works now.

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[PutPut]

Aw, Come on Dave, what is the ETA of the next FSDS version? Hint - hint---Beg---Beg! Cheers--------Paul

[daviator]

You should see a (I think free but don't quote me) update very soon.

Dave

[sddjd]

Simflyers KLAS was modelled completely in gmax and preceeded the KJFK release... It would seem unlikely that a step backward was taken in the Kennedy add-in. As for older products:

"06 July 2003

SimFlyers FS 2004 compatibility statement.

We are happy to announce that according to current information our complete catalogue of sceneries will be (or will be made) compatible with Flight Simulator 2004 - A Century of Flight.

All scenery packages will require a new installer program to allow installation into FS 2004, in most cases this updated installer will come with a scenery fix to ensure full display compatibility. As some users will be aware FS2004 uses an improved AI traffic engine, unfortunately this means that World Airports AI traffic will not work in FS2004. Our aim is to hopefully release a further update for this aspect of the scenery once we have the appropriate information or SDK from Microsoft

We will be offering these updates free of charge for existing and future users, all registration keys will keep their validity to install the updated versions.
We are expecting to have the vast majority of updates ready with the release of Flight Simulator 2004 (or in the two weeks after it latest)."