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05-17-2004, 01:19 PM
I was just wondering on how many other simmers out there has reverted back to Fs2002 from Fs2004 due to the many performance issues.
I have deleted Fs2004 from my hard drive & now in the process of loading Fs2002 back on with all the add-ons i have purchased over the last year or so. Am i alone in this?
It seems that when i had Fs2002 installed, i used to just switch on & fly & then switch off.
I then installed Fs2004 & from the day of it's release i have done very little flying & spent most of my time tweaking this & tweaking that. I have spent additional money on graphics cards to try & get a bit out of it but to no joy. I have tweaked windows xp, tweaked bios, overclocked cpu, edited the fs9.cfg & endless downloads of drivers.
Well enough is enough i say, time to re-install Fs2002 & just fly.
05-17-2004, 02:45 PM
Sorry to hear that Mike! I have to admit, it took me 3 re-installs to get FS9 to work on my machine - and that was with no add-ons! I don't know why, but it works smoothly now - better frame rates, absolutely better weather and sky. I use FSW clouds from Chris to help ease the frames, and did all the autogen tweaks, and other standard publicised tweaks that were necessary. Now I have slowly added in some planes, copied all of my AI (PAI/Aardvark) from FS2002, and all of my flightplans as well. Also all my simflyers/flytampa airports and other freeware airports that I could. Currently I fly all of my ga planes in FS9, and all of my airliners in FS2002. I am waiting for a FS9 version of 767PIC, then all of my flying will be done on FS9.
If you are interested, I can explain how to add all the FS9 textures and stuff into FS2002!! It is pretty nice, and I use FS9 water add-on's too!! :7
05-17-2004, 03:57 PM
yes i would be interested in the texture issue.
05-17-2004, 03:59 PM
Just out of interest,
What tweaks have you done for FS9 qball?
sorry to be a pain.
05-17-2004, 04:43 PM
Actually, for FS9, I renamed my autogen.xml file. That is a must to stop the slowdowns from happening. Also a few others, but sorry - I am at work so I don't have all the specifics - but they were almost "mandatory" tweaks to get the sim to work right. Nothing hardware related at all on my machine had to be changed (other than ATI vid drivers upgraded to stop flashes while changing menues). What are you specs Mike, have you looked for help in the FS9 forum? :-hmmm
As for FS2002, when I get home today, I will gather my notes and reply tomorow for you!! :7
AMD Athlon XP3000+
ASUS A7N8X2.0 nvidia nForce II ultra 400 mobo
ATI Radeon 9600 pro, 128mb
512 PC3200 ddr
WINXP Pro, dx9b
05-17-2004, 05:15 PM
Thanks for your reply & help.
My system specs are as follows:
P4 2.4ghz (overclocked to 2.6) 533 fsb
Asus P4b533-V Mobo Bios 1008
80GB hard drive 7200rpm
1gb pc2700 DDR ram
Sound blaster audigy
ATI 9800 pro card 128mb
18.1 TFT monitor
Direct X 9.0b
If you are using FS9, do you get Brown tile patches in the scenery for a couple of seconds? i noticed this only when using add-on aircraft. When flying with the default aircraft i get instant draw in the ground textures.
I have tried the bandwith at 400 & locking frames to 20, but this has not helped. it is even worse with the pmdg 737. Hence this is why i am reverting back to 2002. I dont recall it being this bad.
05-17-2004, 05:33 PM
You should be getting pretty good performance from fs9 for your computer. I'm running it on a AMD 1600 o/c to 1750 with only 512 megs of ram, and it runs very well, IMO. Of course, I do not have all the sliders set to max, but also feel that there are very few people who can run it maxxed out with any system. I'm totally happy with the performance and smoothness I'm getting.
05-17-2004, 05:54 PM
>You should be getting pretty good performance from fs9 for
>your computer. I'm running it on a AMD 1600 o/c to 1750
>with only 512 megs of ram, and it runs very well, IMO. Of
>course, I do not have all the sliders set to max, but
>also feel that there are very few people who can run it
>maxxed out with any system. I'm totally happy with the
>performance and smoothness I'm getting.
In fs2004 i had most of the sliders as defualt. water detail off, shadows off, reflections off, ETC ETC. FSW 32 bit clouds installed,
renamed & also tried deleting the autogen file but can't see any difference in perfomance.
Very jerky when turning, most annoying freeze/stutter when looking left or right using the hat switch not to mention the brown patches in the scenery. Add-on software seems to make it worse even though these are patched or the most up to date versions.
yep, not a happy bunny.
British airports vols 1-5
Active sky 2004 (why bother as more weather slows it down further)
05-17-2004, 07:22 PM
FS9 runs well on my system. I attribute some of that to ME 2000 instead of XP which takes up alot of RAM and system requirements.
384 MB RAM
1 GHz speed
40MB Hard drive
32 MB Geforce TV2 400 vid card
Remember when you first got FS2k2 you tweak it for at least a year.
FS9 is just harder to tweak than FS2k2
05-18-2004, 06:55 AM
I'm very interested to know how to add FS9 textures into Fs2002.
I apreciate that you tell me how,
05-18-2004, 11:36 AM
Not me! I don't have any more issues with FS2004 than I did with FS2002 over the life cycle.
I still have FS2002 installed on my computer but only to help others with FS2002 issues. I actually have a vanilla and a modified copy of FS2002 sitting on my computer, since I don't want to give bad advice.
05-18-2004, 03:28 PM
FS2004 tex to FS2002.
First off, let me say that I did not learn this myself, another nice forum member posted this info awhile back - don't want to steal his credit! Also, read this whole thing before starting!
Basically, make a backup of FS2002 Texture folder, and Scenery/World/Texture folder, and keep it somewhere. Then copy the same folders from FS9 into FS2002 overwriting everything. Now, here are a few things to consider: You will not see your runway numbers now. But, you can copy those textures back from FS2002. I JUST DON"T REMEMBER WHAT THEY ARE :-hmmm
Also, you MAY experience some strange cloud patterns. I can only speak from MY OWN experiences. I use FSW's SKYWORLD Cloud packs, and installer program for FS2002. SO all I had to do to eliminate these cloud problems was go and select one of the cumulus settings, one of the cirrus settings, and RELOAD the stratus bitmaps from FS2002 saved files. This eliminated the "row" effect in the clouds.
The nice thing is I downloaded some water packages for FS9 and tried them all in FS2002 and they all seem to work just fine.
My suggestion to anyone, is to search back a couple months for the ORIGINAL post on how to do this. Read the whole thread, as it may offer answers to other questions. But this is definately a good starting point to work from. You have nothing to lose when trying it, as long as you backed up your original files, right?? :7
05-24-2004, 05:22 AM
You are far from alone in reverting to FS 2002 and uninstalling FS2004 because of performance problems - I reckon you need a computer with specifications that does not yet exist to run FS 2004 successfully. I tried for about six months to get a decent performance out of FS2004 and in the end gave up. I know my computer is not high spec but Microsofts minimum specs on the packaging for FS 2004 are a lot lower than my computers specs. If Microsoft had raised these specs to a higher level - I personally would not have purchased FS 2004. I agree that with FS 2002 you just flew and then switched off - I flew miles in FS 2002 but have hardly flown at all in FS 2004. I have loads of add ons for FS 2002 - both purchased and downloaded and I am now in the middle of installing these again. I think it is a pity that FS 2002 has been ditched by developers of scenery and planes to produce products for FS 2004 as there are plenty of people out there who will still want add ons for FS 2002.
05-24-2004, 08:41 PM
I went back to FS2002 about 8 months ago and have not looked back. I am using FS2004 textures in FS2002 which gives it a whole new look. I have to many add-ons for FS2002 which I enjoy to much..
I'd rather be flying then tweaking..
05-30-2004, 05:14 PM
Thanks for the reply's.
I have now loaded fs2002 back on my machine with all the add-ons i have purchased over the last year or so & i can honestly say that apart from the weather engine there seems very little difference.
What please's me most is i am now flying again & having fun & then just switching off.
And above all else, no brown patchy squares in the scenery when switching views. Pure heaven.
Thought i was going mad reverting back to 2002. seems not.
05-31-2004, 04:01 PM
>Thought i was going mad reverting back to 2002. seems not.
to me this was another quite interesting thread.
From everything I saw since FS9 hit the shelfs and from everything I was reading in quite a lot of forums and from all the pros and contras I've heard about FS9 up to today I never got the impression that I would be missing something really important by not buying FS9.
I'm a flightsimmer since FS2 v.1 for "Commodore C64" computers and I found out that FS2002 - all those fine addons included - perfectly fits my needs. Maybe I would think differently if would be a collector of historic aircraft of a photographer specialized on clouds pictures but I'm not. Beyond that I don't have the money to buy me a new computer every two years either. (And I wouldn't do it even if I had the money!)
So, all I want to do is to simulate aviation as real as it gets and FS2002 with all the addons I have and using VATSIM perfectly provides (almost) all the tricks.
05-31-2004, 05:09 PM
A commodore 64, i used to have one of those things.
Ahh the joy of loading your game by tape cassette & just when you think the game has loaded by the number counter----it crashes & you have start the load again.
brings back memories.
06-01-2004, 07:32 AM
>A commodore 64, i used to have one of those things.
>Ahh the joy of loading your game by tape cassette & just
>when you think the game has loaded by the number
>counter----it crashes & you have start the load again.
Well, back then I already owned a floppy-disk drive for the C64; I think it was called "1341" and - WOW - you could store up to 360 kBytes to it! :-cool
06-02-2004, 10:45 PM
I agree, wondering though if the FS2004 Learjet 45 can be used in FS2002, one of the few planes that is half way realistic.
06-03-2004, 12:29 PM
I have both installed on my PC and im quite happy with the performance i get with FS9 , i was wondering the same thing about the Lear Jet , out of all the A/C in FS 9 ( default ones ) the Lear jet is my favorite ..i just love the VC .
I admit i get better performance out of FS2002 so i do tend to use it a bit more , my only gripe is that there seems to be some missing textures at KBOS and KJFK .
pay ware Add ons in FS 2002
A320 Pro ( PSS)
A340 Pro (PSS)
PMDG 737 600-700
UK2000 parts 1,2,3,4
FS Traffic 2002
DF 737 400
soon to be A320 PIC
Add ons in FS 2004
PMDG 737 600-700
FS Traffic 2004
Eurowings 2004 (i have problems with slow loading textures with the A319 and 320 )
so as u can see i have more stuff in 2002 the 2004 .
talking about old flight sims ..my first one was by Psion on the Spectrum called Flight simulation and Fighter pilot ..now im showing my age .
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