Flightsimmers are being cheated horriblye!!!!!!

[sheeva43]

LAST EDITED ON Jun-08-01 AT 03:16PM (EDT)[p]Ok, this is where I lay it down, no Bullsh**, just the facts. MS Flight Sim 2000 was one of the worst performing Microsoft Simulators ever made. Microsoft acknowledeged this, and made two patches for both FS versions. These helped minor problems, and increased performance by just a touch, but FS2K is still not performing how it should, we don't even have landing lights for god sake! And now their designing FS2K2, which fixes all of the FS2K bugs, and adds some new planes and ATC. WHY THE HELL SHOULD WE HAVE TO PAY 80 DAMN DOLLARS FOR A PATCH. Now you are probably saying "well...you don't have to buy it, you can just settle for FS2K", thats a bunch of horse sh**! We put up with Microsoft and their crap for over a year now, and I think FS2K users deserve better than an 80 dollar patch. Shoot, I bet for 80 dollars, we can Fix FS2K, and buy a Caravan and Baron for FS2K, and it should be just fine. I really feel that this is BS and this situation needs to be addressed!

Contact me with your comments,

Al - FSPA
http://fspa.cjb.net
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PS: Sorry about the spelling error in the subject line, but I couldn't change it.

[slider360]

FS2002 isnt just a patch. While it does fix some of the problems, thats not what they based the production of the game off of. Have you even looked at the pictures of the game? I'm not sure if they made a new engine(which they probably did) but a patch can't total add new graphics to a game to make it look completely different. Plus the auto gen, they had to reprogram the scenery to allow for this. Along with AI aircraft, like u said the atc and new planes, this one is much better. Each plane was totally reconstructed. They also have made the game run a LOT smoother for higher graphics, so thats why i think its a new engine. This definantly is not a patch. Its a brand new game because of all of the differences. You could say its a patch, and you could also say FS98 was a patch of FS95. Say what you'd like, but a flightsim update is not a whole new game in sence, its improved graphics, play quality, and realism.

Nick Schlagheck

[JarJarBlinks]

Microsoft Flight Simulator 2002 will be the third generation of the new Flight Simulator Engine(Fs2000-CFS2-FS2002). If you have watched the trends whenever Microsoft releases a new engine, it sucks.

If you hate it so much dont get it

Steve

[spotlope]

I don't know if FS2002 is just a natural progression from CFS2 -- after all, they HAVEN'T RELEASED IT YET!!!! I'm so sick of hearing people bash the product before virtually anyone has flown it. And the ones who've flown early versions are just knocked out by it.

Am I the only one who noticed a significant performance improvement from FS2000 to CFS2? I mean, there's no comparison on my machine! FS2000 is, agreed, a bit of a pig to fly in, and often is unsatisfactory. But CFS2 is a really nice platform for flying, and I enjoy it thoroughly. It looks better, performs more smoothly, and generally "feels" a lot more realistic. Sure they have a ways to go, but I feel they're on the right track. If FS2002 improves on the engine in CFS2, we're in for a lot of fun!

[jclay13]

All I have to say on this is...

"Welcome to the world of software"

[JarJarBlinks]

FS4-2nd generation: people thought it waw the greatest
FS5-3rd geteration: people loved it just as much
FS5WS(somthing like that)- 1nd generation: HORRIBLE worse than FS2000 at the time
FS6- 2nd generation: GREAT, many still use it
CFS- 3rd generation: EVEN BETTER, very popular
FS7-1st generation: FS2000 speaks for its self
CFS2-2nd generation: GREAT
FS2002-3rd generation: See CFS

See a trend?

Steve

[Peter_James]

You guys are all wrong. I have seen the new FS2002, have seen it since being at Fanstock, and I can tell you every good thing you hear about FS2002 is 100% TRUE. YOU ARE GOING TO FALL TO TO FLOOR AND SCREAM WITH EXCITEMENT the day you get FS2002.

Take that to the bank, stop predicting junk and get on with your lives.

Go get TrainSim, and enjoy the first of MS new simulations that are winners!

I am not kidding here, at last the complainers will have to SEARCH for gripes in this one... they will be out of a job!

haha!

Peter

FlightSim.Com VP / Cheyenne Pilot

[sheeva43]

Be advised Peter. I am not saying that FS2K2 is a bad simulator. From your reports and others (which I have followed closely), it seems that it may very well be the greatest MSFS to date. BUT, I think that Flightsimmers should still be rewarded for putting up with an 80 dollar "box-o-crap". FS2K2 buyers that have previously owned MSFS2K should get a discount, or some extras or something.

****By the way, my statments here are totally opinionated and have nothing to do with the views and opinions of the Flight Simulation Pilots Association.****

Al - FSPA
http://fspa.cjb.net

[Lou_Betti]

Hey Peter,

We all know the history, and have "been there done that" when it comes to this stuff. MSFS is a bargain, no matter how you look at it.

Anyway, perhaps if we're lucky, a certain FS web site will call a boycott of FS2002, like they did with FS98- :-lol

They're always looking for sensationalism, right? :-lol

Just do me favor and start to screen some of those op-eds, and Flightsim.com will be just fine, as will FS2002! :-)

Regards,

Lou

[JonP01]

Anyone still unsure really does need to take Peter's word for it. I'll bet my flesh and blood he's right. If I look at CFS2, it was so absolutely unlike any other MS FS product before it. So much so that you wouldn't have guessed it even came from MS. It was a HUGE HUGE HUGE HUGE improvement. People call MS lots of names, but stupid isn't one of them. There is simply no question in my mind that they have taken all the good things from recent developments and improved on them even further. When I bought CFS2 I was really thinking "there's another $100 down the drain on something which won't work properly". Well, was I sure WRONG WRONG WRONG WRONG. It turned out to be the most amazing game out of the box I have ever loaded onto a PC. FS2002 will be better again.

[slider360]

I dont think that just because we owned previous Flight Sim versions that we should get a discount. That would be like saying, just because u owned the movie Die Hard, u should get a discount for Die Hard 2. Aint going to happen. FS2002 is a whole new game.

Plus, who cares about trend. MS was probably trying out all types of new stuff in FS2000, and they found a way to profect it all in 2002. Just because u say, Steve, that there was a bad trend, it doesnt mean MS hasnt gotten their act together and put together the best FS ever made. I have a lot of faith in them. I dont even think FS2000 was as bad as many people say, i've had a lot of fun with it. So trust MS, i bet they'll surprise anyone who doesnt believe they can make a really great FS.

Nick

[Lou_Betti]

I flew FS2002 for several hours at E3. FS2002 is a winner, it's a fine evolution from FS2000, and is everything I expected, and I only flew an Alpha version!

It will be great, as long as you are not expecting miracles from it. Let me also add that the MS folks we met at E3 were great, very cordial and responsive; they are really trying. It's mostly a new design team in place, and it shows in the quality of the product.

Peter was 100% correct in what he said.:-)

Regards,

Lou

[JarJarBlinks]

It wasnt bad, and I am referring to the trend of good simulator then bad simulator.

Steve

[JonP01]

Interestingly, Lou, there is a name which keeps cropping up whenever a blockbuster flight sim comes out. It started with Red Baron 3D. His name is Tucker Hatfield. The only reason I gambled my $100 on CFS2 was because he was involved. I wonder if he is involved in FS2002?

[ghhughes]

Besides that how do you feel today???????
George in GA

[drobson]

I guess you could go to the bargain bin at your local software store, and purchase Fly2 for about $25 bucks, and then d/l a couple gigs of patches, and still end up with a piece of crap! That way, you would not have to concern yourself with the MS software.
Darrell


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[drobson]

You should check your facts before spouting off! There is in fact a discount available for owners of previous versions. There is a 15US/25CDN dollar rebate offer with fs2002. This follows the tradition of rebates for previous users of at least fs98. I can't speak to earlier versions, cause I have not had anything prior to 98.
Darrell


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[dil52]

Every flight sim MS has issued has come with many innovations and FS2000 was no exception. I use a low-end computer, and have had no problems. Real time weather and all airports and navaids in the world just to name a couple.
Many seem to forget the price on the box.
I for one used the coupon for an introductory flight at a Cessna school an $80 value.
I've flown near 2000 hours in MSFS2000 alone. Even if it had cost $100, figuring the wear and tear and gas in the car to go buy it, it still figures out to be 5 cents and hour.

I read in another FS site where one of the biggest complainers of all time flew FS2002 for 45 minutes and had a list of about 10 complaints.:-)

At the Cessna school, they had a trainer simulator. It had three screens, and one plane. Yes the pedals felt real and it pitched up and down and to the side for that feeling of reality. When I went to apply flaps the switch fell out of the panel and was hanging by the wires. After reaching down and holding the switch with both hands to operate it, my glide slope and ILS hold was a bit off. After landing, I asked the instructor if they did that on purpose and he said no, but I handled the "Murphy" quite well. :-lol
The single hour lesson cost about the same as the MSFS packages.
I realize that FS2000 had some issues, but never once did a navaid not function correctly as they often do in real world flying. If anyone hates MSFS so bad I'd suggest a new hobby.
Perhaps they'll come out with a fishing simulator that will have 100 frames per second. Then some unhappy flight simulator hobbyists will have an alternative.:-)
It may well be easier to learn too!
There's is a hunting game that's very exciting. You sit there and look at trees and baron land and it never pauses or locks up.
I tryed it at a friends, and went away thankful that I didn't waste a dime buying it.
A different prespective.:-)
Fred
http://www.flight-sim.net

[alastairmonk]

Hi Peter,

Nice to hear from you ! If I remember correctly, you were the first to get really excited over FS2002, and posted those useful "previews".

Well, it seems that you've been vindicated. Although I haven't yet got it myself, it seems clear that you weren't exagerating. Perhaps your most vitriolic detractors can now accept that what you stated some months ago was, if anything, an UNDERSTATEMENT !

Cheers,

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[chrishell]

So I must ask: which Operation System do you use? I bet it is WINDOWS 9X !? What about that? It wasn't good from the beginning and every year they have released another version(what I call PATCH) for their f... OS . So why complaining about MS ? It's the way they do it. Maybe with intention or they can't wait till it's perfect, because of earning money or some stupid things like that. So, if you buy software from MS you AGREE (read the license) to become treated horrible. Nevertheless I will accept.... Chris

[pipeline109]

I believe MS is responsible for that many people are intimidated by computers... the explorer 'integration' and other cyber-vomit... I just use it because the people who bought this cant tell M$ from Apple... but thats another post. Also, JarJar, you didn't account for fs98 in your 'trend'. I still use it exclusively.
Gallina Obscura
Humanity's (barely) legal alien

[sonic33]

My suggestion on this thread is:
If you dont wish to carry on paying for a 'so called' Patch, then save your money and wait until the 'perfect' product arrives.
You will be a long time without!

Nuff Said.

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[slider360]

lol, sorry Steve. looking back just now i noticed i took what you said wrong. my fault, sorry bout that.

[mith]

It's worth 15 bucks to me not to have to keep the damn receipt for a year... LOL

[mith]

FLY!2... OMG... they got me for $90 overall... when will I EVER learn.... GDMFSOB's.....

Hope they don't have the audacity to put out FLY!3.....sigh

[mith]

HAHA... I'm the last post!...

Te hehehehe


:-jumpy

[abenson]

Haha no you're not i am. But I do have 2002 pro and it is great. I need to upgrade my video card but I just took care of that and my new one should be here in a few days. But even with my tnt2 card the sim runs like silk. Go out and buy it you won't be disappointed!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ikarusina]

Shows what I know – errrr… knew… but it had hitherto been my impression that CFS2 antedated MSFS2K. Live and learn!

Absolutely Spotlope – well said and I agree completely.

CFS2 totally rocks and if FS2K2 is as good or better – people will have to be scratching their heads to find serious “complaints.”

Say what anyone will – CFS2 totally rocks… Someone else here has said it well – I believe below (sorry I’m forgetting whom) – but – CFS2 is, without question The Best out of the box game s/w I have ever loaded. It’s just phenomenal.

If FS2K2 is as good – it will be very-much worth the box sticker price for those of us who really want to [virtually] fly. . .

MS – like anyone and any Co. in the world – has it’s good and bad, pros and cons: both sides of the issue are readily understandable to me.
I generally distrust MS “Upgrades,” etc, and try for all the devil to avoid them if I can: but they do try – bless ‘em – and no-offense to all the Penguin lovers out there – MS is still the best.

Personally, I’m still using my FS2K – which is pretty cool – but I’m def. Looking forward to the 1st chance I get to snatch up my copy of FS2K2.

As this is my first post in these forums, I’d like to say - Cheers to all you fellow FS’ers here… :)


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[mith]

I got it from Electronic Boutique as SOON as it came out.. in fact, I was standing there when Fedex walked into the store and brought the box in.. LOL

Oh, and yes, I'm the last post.. LOL

:-jumpy

[Ihor]

I have all three sims FlyII, FS2k2 & X-Plane each has its own merits. If you are into every single button on a panel then Fly II is the one for you. If you are interested in how a plane handles then X-Plane gives the most realism.

I use FS2K for looking out of the window, especially with highly detailed terrain meshes. Since I live on the westcoast It's quite a thrill.

For the UK I use FS98 since there isn't any decent scenery for that tiny Island.