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FS2002tipster
09-19-2002, 01:58 PM
LAST EDITED ON Sep-19-02 AT 01:59PM (EDT)[p]The rights have been obtained for the original FS2002 tips site html containing well over 400 tips tweaks and tutorials for FS2002.

A new website to house them is currently under construction and will be published shortly.

The tips will be brought up to date as soon as possible following publication.

Notification of the url will be published as soon as possible.

drobson
09-19-2002, 02:23 PM
I guess I'm not clear on this. The tips site is accessible directly already by clicking on the link at the top of this page.
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FS2002tipster
09-19-2002, 02:34 PM
The FSGateway site doesn't contain the original html or all the tips that were on the original site.

The html itself is inconsequential beyond copyright issues, but the missing content should prove invaluable, particularly to new users.

rcbarend
09-19-2002, 02:47 PM
Rights ?? What rights are you talking about ??

If you mean the piece of html code that formed the old tips site: congratiolations.

If you mean the contents: Balony !
IF there is any rights on that, it's owned by the people who wrote them.

So please clarify ...

Rob

FS2002tipster
09-19-2002, 02:48 PM
The "rights" refer to the copyright on the html. As you say, the content is all public domain.

Simon Evans
09-19-2002, 05:25 PM
Guess you don't understand copyright law. If I see a single one of my tips on your site without my express, written permission I will personally make it my task in life to wipe you off the face of the planet.

I am fed up with this "I own rights" crap. You own diddly-squat sunshine and have no rights to infer that you do, pal. As the previous site didn't `own` the tips either, there is no right of assignment, check with the lawyers.

You can have an empty website, but you cannot have the content unless you ASK for it, not come stomping in over indiviuduals rights TELLING us you `own` it.

And if you are going to post here under a pseudonym and inform us you are taking our words for yourself, at least have the decency to put a genuine name to your profile.

Simon Evans

Frank_Cubillos
09-19-2002, 07:26 PM
Hmm, interesting.
Sounds like John Consterdine spewing his trash again Simon. We all remember what he did in this forum and to the Flight Sim Vets before.
I thought the community made it quite clear that you are persona non-grata.
Go back and play with that sheep Mildred you always liked to impersonate.
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LKX
09-19-2002, 07:41 PM
Aren't you a bit childish John (Consterdine)? Not only, as stated by others here, it's public domain, but you had the job as webmaster on a certain other site, which actually was "invented" by Alex and me. You decided yourself to give up this job, by erasing the entire site with no warning, putting especially me in an arkward situation, to put it mildly.

At this point FS2K2 isn't that new anymore and most today have "seen the light", so it seems a little desperate to start this issue again.

I would have thought adults had something more important to do..

Lars Klüver
Flightsim Veterans Club

AlaskaAV
09-19-2002, 08:03 PM
More power to you Simon. I dare say that there is not one person that scans this forum that has not learned something from you and your many cohorts. To have someone come along and imply they thought up these solutions or offered a tip for better operation that has already been posted by others elsewhere and than comes along and states they own them is beyond belief to me. For a forum that is read around the world , this should really make many readers wonder just what that site is trying to do.

Ernie

Bluefin
09-19-2002, 10:12 PM
LAST EDITED ON Sep-19-02 AT 10:12PM (EDT)[p]When is it going to stop John?


Dave/KAZO

doncarlos
09-19-2002, 10:56 PM
To you all who are confused...it's simple.. If Simon is there you
go there..if Cptn S...by the way where are you..is there go there...if both of them tell you...Stupid ..read the manual ..well read the manual...because some day, they and other experts on this forum will solve your problems after you discover that MS will have no idea what you are talking about or if they do ..MS will tell you that "it is your system" or "did you add something that did not come with MS or FS".. I love that line..."Yes I added your critical updates and when I did all hell broke loose"

doncarlos

FS2002tipster
09-20-2002, 01:05 AM
To those of you that didn't read my two former posts in this thread properly, it was clearly stated by me (and this is a fact, not any decision that I or anyone else has made) that the tips are public domain - hence anyone can reproduce them anywhere. The copyright to the original html is what has been obtained in order that it can be published in it's original format if the decision to do that is made. As yet, nothing has been finalised on that particular issue.

Why some of you feel it necessary to indulge in such vitriolic comment escapes me, but if Mr Evans or anyone else wishes to persue action for a public domain message being reproduced, they are free to do so. I am quite familiar with on-line copyright law (which is why I've obtained the copyright) and the forthcoming site will infringe neither that, nor any individuals rights. Anyone disagreeing with that can, of course, take whatever action they see fit. All I am doing is furnishing the flight simulation community with the information about this resource. In common with the entire internet community, you all have the choice as to whether or not you use it. Having seen the way some of you have reacted, I'd personally be more than happy if you didn't.

Good day.

Simon Evans
09-20-2002, 02:02 AM
>
>Why some of you feel it
>necessary to indulge in such
>vitriolic comment escapes me, but
>if Mr Evans or anyone
>else wishes to persue action
>for a public domain message
>being reproduced, they are free
>to do so. I am
>quite familiar with on-line copyright
>law (which is why I've
>obtained the copyright) and the
>forthcoming site will infringe neither
>that, nor any individuals rights.
>Anyone disagreeing with that can,
>of course, take whatever action
>they see fit. All I
>am doing is furnishing the
>flight simulation community with the
>information about this resource. In
>common with the entire internet
>community, you all have the
>choice as to whether or
>not you use it. Having
>seen the way some of
>you have reacted, I'd personally
>be more than happy if
>you didn't.

OK, Mr no-name (note: lower case. Real Names only earn the right to capitals in this forum), I'm sure we can all vote with our feet.
My first point stands. You are not permitted to use any content that originated from me without my express, written consent. And I don't reply to anonymous e-mails. And a point of law is that copyright exists on each and every tip so you'll need to do a lot of permission-seeking should you decide to proceed.

Good day.



Simon Evans

FS2002tipster
09-20-2002, 02:34 AM
To Mr evans:

I have no intention of continuing with this pointless conversation. My name is, frankly, none of your business. We clearly differ in our interpretations of copyright law. Yours seem bizarre and ill-informed to say the least but beyond that I have no further comment to make. With that, I'll leave you to continue with your comments if you wish. I for one, won't be reading them.



To anyone else who may be interested in accessing the comprehensive republication of the original FS2002 tips, I'll publish the url when it's active as previously stated.

Simon Evans
09-20-2002, 03:43 AM
Well, I'm sure that your reluctance to reveal your identity will serve only to sow yet further seeds of doubt in the minds of simmers everywhere as to the purpose and validity of the resource you plan to offer.

Look forward to the URL. So I can ignore it.


Simon Evans

LKX
09-20-2002, 07:15 AM
The conversation is as pointless as your copyrights. Why don't you get it - noone cares, both they and you are irrelevant for this hobby. But Simon Evans put it very well, so one don't need to say more - except maybe, GET A LIFE..

LarsK