Turning into App Store?

[PerpetualOmega]

Hi,

I can not help think that MS realized how much the add-ons were selling and they were not getting a penny. so they axed FSX and now it seems Flight is not backwards compatible (No old add-ons can be used).

So would they set-up an app store (An app being the add-on) and take 30% cut like Apple does to its store, then not only are they making from the sale, they are continually making from all the add-Ons.

In my option for them its a great way to keep developing FS and i think i like the idea of a Steam set-up were as all add-ons are tested for compatibility and bugs ironed out. then i only install once if i have to format and all my add-ons install at the same time.

[JSkorna]

Hi,

1. FSX was not axed.

2. We don't know if Flight will be backwards compatible.

3. We don't have any details about any type of store or what the certification requirements would be for software.

[mgh]

FS11/Next was axed.

[Firekitten]

I heard a rumour that Microsoft flight will include a flyable model of dumbo, I believe they simulated the cat III auto land accurately from what I've read, Including differential ear braking.

[tigisfat]

I heard a rumour that Microsoft flight will include a flyable model of dumbo, I believe they simulated the cat III auto land accurately from what I've read, Including differential ear braking.The biggest problem I have with that is controllers. I already have yokes and joysticks; that might force me into different hardware just to be compatible. Realistically, how much fun would it be to fly dumbo with a stick? Dumbo doesn't even really have a cockpit. I wouldn't be too particular about the aesthetics myself, but if the idea caught on and aftermarket developers starting producing pachyderms themselves, we would have hundreds of self-proclaimed 'zoologists' telling us every day in the forums how the number of folds in the skin were incorrect.

What are those clowns over in the game studio trying to do to us?

[ricardo_NY1]

Hi,

I can not help think that MS realized how much the add-ons were selling and they were not getting a penny. so they axed FSX and now it seems Flight is not backwards compatible (No old add-ons can be used).

So would they set-up an app store (An app being the add-on) and take 30% cut like Apple does to its store, then not only are they making from the sale, they are continually making from all the add-Ons.

In my option for them its a great way to keep developing FS and i think i like the idea of a Steam set-up were as all add-ons are tested for compatibility and bugs ironed out. then i only install once if i have to format and all my add-ons install at the same time.

I still don't get why so many out there believe that MS is going to get involved with add-ons or methods of distributing them. Let me ask here for a moment..........has anyone from Flight1, Dreamfleet, Carenado, FSDreamteam, Project Magenta or other have been contacted by MS for a "Joint venture" in distributing your software? If there is at least a gag order, please say so. Thank you.

Lastly, don't count on MS to test for compatibility or bugs. They can't even take care of their own software in that sense.

[JSkorna]

If there is a gag order, better known as a NDA, then how can any of those companies say so?

[ViperPilot2]

The biggest problem I have with that is controllers. I already have yokes and joysticks; that might force me into different hardware just to be compatible. Realistically, how much fun would it be to fly dumbo with a stick? Dumbo doesn't even really have a cockpit. I wouldn't be too particular about the aesthetics myself, but if the idea caught on and aftermarket developers starting producing pachyderms themselves, we would have hundreds of self-proclaimed 'zoologists' telling us every day in the forums how the number of folds in the skin were incorrect.

What are those clowns over in the game studio trying to do to us?

You know, the more I think about it the more it puzzles me...

How do you write an .air file for Dumbo, anyway? I mean, he doesn't have any 'traditional' flight surfaces except for his ears.
And he doesn't stick his legs out to the side... so how do you profile it?

http://i830.photobucket.com/albums/zz226/ViperPilot2/dumbo_flying.jpg

Controller wise, just add more assignments in Settings; Tail Swing Left, Tail Swing Right... the Trunk movement would be a Hat switch... you get the idea.

Just press the 'W' button for Panel On/Off, put a little pipper or FD bug smack in the center of the viewpoint, and Voíla!
Besides, you're looking through Dumbo's eyes anyway so the snap and pan views would be just like looking from side to side.

I won't go into what the VC would look like, suffice to say... think of one of those 'The Human Body" exhibits at the Museum; ewww.

But, if some 3rd party dev is spending time modeling flying pachyderms like Dumbo, Rocky the Flying Squirrel, Mothra (Kaz Ito not included)
or some other thing like that... Dude, what ARE you doing? You're gonna get us ALL in trouble! You're supposed to be working on the...
Get in my office... we need to have a serious talk.

:eek:

[fxsttcb]

...Realistically, how much fun would it be to fly dumbo with a stick?...Can TrackIR be programmed as a controller? That would at least be similar to how he flew! Turn head left, go left.
I see more of a problem with the launch, though. There are lotsa towers, but, are they gonna be selectable as starting airports...Don

[n4gix]

Realistically, how much fun would it be to fly dumbo with a stick? Dumbo doesn't even really have a cockpit.

Dumbo is a boy elephant, so of course he has a stick in his cockpit. It's just not one any of us would want to think about, much less use! <evil cackle> :mad:

[ricardo_NY1]

If there is a gag order, better known as a NDA, then how can any of those companies say so? An NDA is an agreement, a gag order is usually not, and is more a tool of the legal system. That aside, I don't think they would be in trouble if they simply said there was one or couldn't comment, and that would answer the question.

[JSkorna]

Not according to the NDAs I have been under.

[ViperPilot2]

Everyone who was 'invited' to this presentation did so under the terms of an NDA, just as they have said at every FS site worth a lick.

NDA's are just that; a NON DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT. As Jim said, you are bound by the terms of that agreement not to disclose any
details to anyone until such time as the NDA states it's OK to do so. Failure to abide by the terms of the NDA = buku legal troubles.

I don't think ANYONE would disclose any details of the meeting until the anointed ones atop Mt. Redmond give their blessing to do so.

In the meantime... just chill and relax; once CES happens in mid January we'll know all that there is to know.

Begging and pleading just makes us look more ungrateful and impatient than we already have been.

[ricardo_NY1]

Everyone who was 'invited' to this presentation did so under the terms of an NDA, just as they have said at every FS site worth a lick.

NDA's are just that; a NON DISCLOSURE AGREEMENT. As Jim said, you are bound by the terms of that agreement not to disclose any
details to anyone until such time as the NDA states it's OK to do so. Failure to abide by the terms of the NDA = buku legal troubles.

I don't think ANYONE would disclose any details of the meeting until the anointed ones atop Mt. Redmond give their blessing to do so.

In the meantime... just chill and relax; once CES happens in mid January we'll know all that there is to know.

Begging and pleading just makes us look more ungrateful and impatient than we already have been. Who is asking anyone to disclose anything said at any meeting? Who is begging? I think you need to chill and relax!


Not according to the NDAs I have been under. Jim, if you've been under an NDA, I am certain that you voluntarily agreed to the NDA, keyword being (Agreement). A gag order is usually not an agreement, but a legal and mandatory order that if violated is technically contempt of court when issued by one. You don't "Agree" to a gag order.

[fxsttcb]

Jim, if you've been under an NDA, I am certain that you voluntarily agreed to the NDA, keyword being (Agreement). A gag order is usually not an agreement, but a legal and mandatory order that if violated is technically contempt of court when issued by one. You don't "Agree" to a gag order.Terminology aside, every NDA I've have been a party to, mandated that I didn't state or allude to being under that NDA.
An NDA is virtually a corporate Gag Order. Voluntary? Gimme a break. You don't sign = You don't work. That, to me, is more compelling than the threat of Contempt.
Violate an NDA and the resulting suit could be far more costly than any Judge has the power to fine you. Jail? If collusion is proven, Yes.
Word of that violation would trickle down thru your chosen profession also. Time to find a new career. Voluntary Agreement?...Don

[ricardo_NY1]

Terminology aside, every NDA I've have been a party to, mandated that I didn't state or allude to being under that NDA.
An NDA is virtually a corporate Gag Order. Voluntary? Gimme a break. You don't sign = You don't work. That, to me, is more compelling than the threat of Contempt.
Violate an NDA and the resulting suit could be far more costly than any Judge has the power to fine you. Jail? If collusion is proven, Yes.
Word of that violation would trickle down thru your chosen profession also. Time to find a new career. Voluntary Agreement?...Don
I understand your (You don't work) point, but there is a difference between something that you agree to, be it to make money, and something that you don't. Otherwise, no one is making you sign yourself into secrecy or putting a gun to your head with an NDA. You are a willing participant of that agreement, even if you'd like to explain your participation financially. The court ordered gag order doesn't give you an option. Big difference whether it can be admitted or not.

[n4gix]

The legal distinctions don't amount to much of a much, IMHO. To me there are two compelling reasons to adhere to the terms of an NDA...

1. My own personal moral integrity, and
2. My desire to continue being involved with the current project, as well as being eligible any such opportunities in the future.

[Karl]

I don't know what the Steam system refers as all I do is FS. Overall, I would support something like an app store as it gives MS an incentive to keep Flight relevent in the marketplace.

[loki]

Steam is an online store for PC games, including sim (Trainz, Railworks and some of the IL2 series are available), that is very popular. It makes it very easy to find and download games, while providing a decent balance between DRM and ease of use.

http://store.steampowered.com/

If done right, I think a Marketplace for Flight would only benefit the community, both simmers and developers.

[PerpetualOmega]

The game will feature its own marketplace, with content regulated by Microsoft. There will be no software development kit and hence no user created content. The Live marketplace allows for constant content flow and users that opt-in to share data, allow the team to react to user behaviors to improve the game and add more of what users want. It also allows for quicker response to user requests, fixes and general improvements. On top of that, integration with the Microsoft Flight® website offers a more direct link between team and users.

Can i swear now?