FLIGHT PLANNER

[fls]

MICROSOFT SAYS NO PATCH UNLESS SOMETHING DOESN'T WORK. WELL TELL ME IF THE FLGHT PLANNER IS AS GOOD AS FS2000 AND I'LL SAY THEY DON'T COMPARE. IT IS REALLY MY ONLY GRIPE HOT & LOW ALTITUDE FLIGHTS FORGET IT GPS AND GPS ONLY. VOR TO VOR EVEN COME UP WITH FLIGHT PLAN ERROR OF SET ALTITUDE WHEN IFR FLIGHT PLAN IS LOADED. EXAMPLE VOR TO VOR OR HIGH & LOW ROUTE PLANS SET AT 20000. THE ATC CLEARANCE WILL NOT SAY CLIMB TO 200 INSTEAD 20. OFCOURSE THIS IS IFR ONLY. BUT IF YOU ARE IN DENVER FORGET IT YOU CRASH RIGHT AFTER TAKEOFF IFR PLAN CANCELLED DESECNT TO 200.
ALL YOU CAN SAY THEN CANCEL IFR IF YOU TRY IN DENVER TO FL20 YOU CAN SAY GOODBYE TO MOM FOR YOU WILL BE IN FLAMES.

[pfrance]

There is no need to shout.

Regards,

Peter France

[rankin3]

I need to make a pre written response for these posts.

How much did you pay for this game-

What flightsim do you know that is better-

When do you want fs2004 released-

Why out of all of us you are the only one to come out and say that ____ sucks-

And stop shouting!!

[Simon Evans]

Yeah, right...? And the sim doesn't ship with stewardesses who bring you coffee either. I s'pose that's Microsofts fault as well..?
I have no trouble flying low or high altitude airways, the flightplanning is adequate, although I do most fp work with FSNavigator. Where the flightplan looks likely to fly me into hills I do what real pilots do - fly around or over them. Cunning eh?

However, I do agree that at high altitudes the normal flightplanning rules do not apply. But then the real world's like that too. And good Lord! There's no facility for daily NOTAMS either..! Shoot the designer!

Obviously our original poster's not a real pilot. Equally apparent is that he/she/it is not a real simmer, just another trolling spammer looking for its five minutes of flame. The CAPS and the Joycian stream of consciousness says it all.

OK, you've had it, now just go away.


Simon Evans

[mdklatt]

THIS IS INTERNET NOT TELEGRAPH. LOWER CASE AND COMPLETE SENTENCES OK. CANNOT UNDERSTAND YOU.

[fls]

Sorry to hurt any of your feelings but this may help. Fs2002 is the best in my mind and heart sim out today. I just would like a better flight plan like FS2000 had. I am not knocking the sim in general. I have bought this program since the Amiga 500 and wow what a change since. My above post was hoping to get Microsoft to fix something that is broke thats it. Has anyone tried using the flight planner from FS2000 and copy over to FS2002.
I have tried FSNAV but again I may have missed something on how to make the flight plan IFR when using it. I lso have dreamfleet 737-400 its great. Please forgive again fellow fight simmers if I hurt your feelings about my one and only!!!! gripe. As far as I am concern FS2002 is the only sim I use and just want to improve it.

[Tmanaon]

I am tired of you guys who always respond to a criticism of FS2002 by saying..."how much did you pay for this game"..and ..."what other game is better". So what if he only paid $70.00 for the game and so what if no other game is better. That does not mean that FS2002 cannot suck in his opinion or that a patch should not be released. And what does what he is saying have to do with FS2004? Maybe you like to pay for unfinished products but reasonable people do not?

Stop being a kneejerk microsoft apologist. And yes he's screaming. So @&*&@@ what?

[Tmanaon]

YOU DO NOT HAVE TO APOLOGISE FOR HOW YOU FEEL ABOUT FS2002. These guys will come at you the same way so long as you are criticizing their cherished Microsoft....sometimes i think these typical (we've seen them before) attack responses come from a bunch of microsoft workers on this site.

[mdklatt]

Maybe you should explain your problem again, this time in normal written English. I've tried reading the original post several times and I still don't understand what you're trying to say.

[jhender501]

What's the difference in the flight planners..I don't see any.



Jim

[dinger]

I think FLS is commenting on ATC and its interaction with the flight planner. I agree that the flight planner is somewhat lacking, which is a shame considering that it's a vital part of the game. But the problems with ATC definitely need to be addressed. I work in the software industry and pre-release Alpha builds have less bugs than the ATC in the game. It seems like MS wanted to bundle it with the product before it was completed.

[fls]

All I am saying is the flight planner for FS2002 High & Low and vor to vor flight plans don't work in IFR mode. Gps IFR plans work fine. Anyone does FSnav work in IFR mode.

[rankin3]

Yes there are a few problems with fs2002 ATC. However it is the first stage of fs2002 ATC and they did a ##### good job. Why not just deal with the problem like most of us do and wait for fs2004. Or you can push MS to patch it and then we can all wait longer for fs2004.

[rankin3]

>All I am saying is the
>flight planner for FS2002 High
>& Low and vor to
>vor flight plans don't work
>in IFR mode.

Work fine for me. Just remember to follow the ATC instructions.

[jhender501]

>All I am saying is the flight planner for FS2002 High & Low and >vor to vor flight plans don't work in IFR mode. Gps IFR plans >work fine. Anyone does FSnav work in IFR mode.

You'll have to elaborate. I did a flight just last night..from
PHL-MHT VOR to VOR (TEB-CMK-GDM) and had no problems.


Jim

[flyinggriffin]

If you entered the wrong altitude in the flight plan, why should the program correct you? You should know the proper altitude. If you don't....look it up!
I can ask for any altitude I want in a real flight plan so long as it's a legal altitude. The computer will accept an altitude below the MEA.
The MS flight planner works very much like the Cirrus planner available for pilots on DUATS. Cirrus is a heck of a good program and it's free.

[ladamson]

I've done many FS2002 flights out of Salt Lake City & east to Denver & beyond. Just as you said, the key is finding actual minimum enroute altitudes from charts, flight planners, maps, etc.

I havn't personally noticed any problems with the FS2002 flight planner compared to the FS2K version. Of course...... I'm not saying I'd descend everytime the simulated ATC tells me too either!! :)

Ladamson

[fls]

Thanks for all opinions but I have set altitude in IFR mode to take off high Altitude flight from KDEN TO KSEA PRESS FINE ROUTE which brings me to route page I set altitude to 30000 PRESS SAVE.

Then when I go to fly the route on take off and even in clearance they tell me cleared as filed climb to 300 which is fine but when I do after takeoff they say I am 5000 above my assign altitude and I am only at 5750. Kden is about 52000 and some or less to start out with so all I mean is that there is a problem in the compiling of the plan route and ATC. In FS2002.

When I do the same flight plan IFR in GPS mode find route altitude set at 30000 bingo no problem with atc or flying route.

Only time I have this problem is in IFR high or low or vor to vor routes. GPS IFR OR VFR WORKS FINE.

Frank

[mdklatt]

When you select an altitude in the flight planner are you putting in the full altitude (30000) or the flight level (300)? You have to put in the actual altitude, not the flight level. If you're putting in the altitude, I don't know what to tell you. I don't have any problems with the flight planner.

[kelvin]

Actually, it is quite fair to complain about the Flight Planner in FS2002, as it contains exactly the same errors as in FS2000 and 98.
Create a plan using high altitude routes from JFK to London.
Then explain why the planner wants to take you on a tour of North Africa! Only a whole continent out!
Or, try London to LAX; this time you get to see Mexico.
O'Hare to London; see sunny Florida en route.
The error was there in the past and is still there now, so where is the effort that went into FS2002 Fight Planner?
ATC is a different story; it is new and, as long as you keep in mind it is only a simulator, it is great!

Kelvin Davies