I might give up FS2002

[CCairns10]

Why? I have only two Microsoft products, Windows XP and FS2002. In order to increase my rampant independance from Microsoft I want to replace FS2002 with X-Plane 6, so I can just have one Microsoft product. Don't get me wrong FS2002 is the best flight sim, but I wonder if its worth sacrificing for the cause stated?

Chris

[wileyecoyote]

Uhhh... I'm confused :-hmmm:-hmmm:-hmmm

Why give up on (your quote)"the best flight sim"? Related to that: what's with the MS independance?

Regards,

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[maxwood]

I am a little confused also.
I think I have just about every Flight sim there is.
The only one I fly is FS 2002.
You are correct in stating it is the best. (no-brainer)
I would have saved a heck of a lot of money if I only bought 2002. The rest of the programs are collecting dust.
I have some problems with MS and the way the do some things but I have problems with all the rest of those softwear people as well.
I have stock in MSFT and a bunch of others.
So go ahead and trash can FS 2002 and use something else.
Chances are I have stock in whatever you choose.
I can't loose.
iam maxwood

[CCairns10]

FS2002 is a Microsoft product and I want a relatively low dependance on Microsoft. Why? to give other software developers a chance and do my little bit to stop all the bad things that a monopoly causes.

Chris

[Silverblade]

If you want complete independence from Microsoft (for whatever reason), then why don't you use Linux as an operating system?

Silverblade

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[CCairns10]

The term "rampant independance" was facetious, a relativey low dependance on Microsoft (i.e. just using its operating system) and using software from other companies for everything else is a reasonable stance against a Microsoft monopoly (I hope)

Chris

[andy_nwt]

it's not. that's just an insignificant half hearted stance and you know it. go the whole hog if you really mean to make a difference.

[wileyecoyote]

Ok, while I don't go that far (and cannot, because I need to use MS products for my (upcoming) study), I can understand the idea and respect it.

What amazes me though, is that you cut yourself loose from what you find the best Flight Simulator (agree with that btw). Surely, you can have multiple flight simulators installed. That way, you not only miss the beauty of MSFS, but still give space for other developers.

But, in the end, it is your choice. The fact that you doubt this decision (otherwise you wouldn't have asked) tells that you are not quite willing to wholeheartedly let go of MSFS. So I'd say, don't.

Regards,

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[tailboom]

to spite yer face. Let us know to whom it makes a difference. Certainly won't be M$. Bye :-wave:-wave

[CCairns10]

I've heard that Linux does not accept a lot of hardware and you need a lot of computer knowledge to get it running as well as Windows, these things I find discouraging, but maybe they're not true.

My valiant spirit is tempered by a dose of common sense, often confused as cowardice.

Chris

[ifr0]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-18-02 AT 06:30AM (EDT)[p]you don't have to give up fs2002 to make a diferance, just buy
the other sims as well, that will help the other peaple and give you a better choice.

[pfrance]

I think yours is by far the best solution.

Regards

Peter France

[xerus]

Well then, do it right. Dump the PC, buy a Mac and XPlane. The newer Macs work real well with XPlane and there are tons of other non-Microsoft office software to be found. The best thing is that you can use most of the USB based controllers with the Mac. I think it's the only choice you really have if you want to stick by your convictions and rid yourself of Microsoft products. You could also get Linux and Flightgear but Linux is not as easy to setup, configure and keep running as the other OSs for the avg user. In anycase good luck on your chosen path.

Jon

[CCairns10]

I can't afford a new computer right now but I might get a Mac in a couple of years time when my PC gets old, that would certainly give me lots of time to research what Mac software is like and the version of X-Plane at that time should be good. There's a few Linux magazines about and they offer some good software it seems, I wonder what Mac freeware is like?

Anyway thanks for the tips

Chris

[flyinggriffin]

If you support Microsoft in its operating system, how are you going to encourage independent developers to try to make a better OS?
You can't go half way on this one! It's like saying I want more money for my kids school, but raise the other guys taxes, not mine.

[jwenting]

Just a little kiddo who got suckered into believing Microsoft is the core of all evil, Bill Gates is the antichrist, etc. etc.
Don't heed the likes of him, select your products on merit of quality and value for money (plus of course suitability for your needs).

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[vfr150]

The only Microsoft product I dumped was XP pro. After discovering that all my other games worked with XP and detonator drivers installed, except FS2002!! Bizarre.

[Moparmike]

>Why? I have only two Microsoft
>products, Windows XP and FS2002.
>In order to increase my
>rampant independance from Microsoft I
>want to replace FS2002 with
>X-Plane 6, so I can
>just have one Microsoft product.
>Don't get me wrong FS2002
>is the best flight sim,
>but I wonder if its
>worth sacrificing for the cause
>stated?
>
>Chris


I am truely confused...
You state that you own only 2 M$ products, yet you want to cut back on the number of M$ products you own/use?
BTW...does your "increasing rampant independance" mean decreasing rampant DEpendance on M$ products. If so...I sure;y wouldn't say that you are rampantly dependant upon M$ (except for being handicapped to Windows ;-)).


If you truly feel that you should give other developers a chance...then go ahead and boycott M$ altogether (after all you said yourself you only have two software titles by em...it couldn't possibly take that long to find suitable substitutes. :-lol )


BTW...if you are going to take "the path less traveled" (not using M$ software), regardless of Mac or Linux, you had better have a pretty thorough knowledge of how your computer works. I suspect many of "the Windows generation" haven't the faintest clue what to do when they have problems other than whip out the restore disk and start fresh...are you one of those guys or can you handle standard (non-Wizarded) file & OS management tasks?
MacOSX is fairly simple to use nowadays, as are the newer distro's of Linux...they're not really any harder to use than Windows, you just have to learn how to use them.



And as for switching to X-Plane...
That's entirely your decision. I have it but seldom use it...wanna buy a slightly used copy?
Just like FS2002, it too has some very fundamental flaws in different parts of the program that could be corrected. Neither game is any worse than the other...they both good points and they both have faults.

[CCairns10]

My "rampant independance" statement was facetious. I really mean reducing from "very high dependance" on Microsoft products to just "high dependance". Of course Linux has its own particularities which most Windows users are barely equipped to deal with, taking on Linux really is a big commitment. I was just wanting to have just one Microsoft product - the big one - Windows XP, all other software would be non-microsoft, this would be my token gesture for giving other software a chance, I have already been scolded for using this approach "halfhearted" etc. Of course I would have to replace FS2002 with X-Plane 6, however, maybe I'll wait for any up and coming flight sims that might almost be as good as FS2002 (with autogen etc)

A small gesture of using non-Microsoft products is better than no gesture at all.

Chris

[Calvin]

>Uhhh... I'm confused :-hmmm:-hmmm:-hmmm
>
>Why give up on (your quote)"the
>best flight sim"? Related to
>that: what's with the MS
>independance?

What Wileyecoyote said..

[Captain_Slarty]

obviously you are entitled to your opinion.

My opinion though, is that you are misguided. ;-)

Success is the thing that makes Microsoft so good. Simple.

I suppose you will buy brandx fizzy cola 'cos coke and pepsi are rampant capitalist monopolies lol...

Seriously.. that is a very strange attitude.. very strange indeed.

I hope MS buys NVIDIA (After NV has bought AMD) and really pushes it's sales forward.

The ONLY people who gain from Microsoft's success is the public... sweet, plain, and simple.!

:-)

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[rustam]

Mac sofware is a lot worse than Microsoft.

[helo_av8or]

I tend to disagree. Most people who complain about macs in general are just afraid of them (maybe it's the whole one button mouse, I don't know.) It's plain and simple regarding purchasing a PC (and I use it in the intended definition of "personal computer".) You buy the tool you need for the job you have. If you are a gamer, buy a computer with a microsoft operating system. If you run a fortune 500 company, buy a computer with a microsoft operating system. If you are into graphic design, video editing, composing music, or SERIOUS desktop publishing then you should buy a MAC. I have yet to find many newspapers, magazines, TV studios, or professional graphic designers who use Windows... maybe they know something we don't?

I take a different stance, I own several computers. My desktop is running Windows XP pro, and it is what I run my games on. My laptop also runs Win XP pro, and I plan to sell it this summer and buy an Ibook to handle all of my graphic and web design. Pick the tool you need for the job you've got. "Think Different"

Jeff
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[Captain_Slarty]

Hi Jeff


I have yet to find many newspapers, magazines, TV studios, or professional graphic designers who use Windows... maybe they know something we don't?

nope, they are just using what they are used to.. at one time the mac was the best of the best for this kind of work. now its great, but not so great ;-)

one day these guys will realise that the PC (At less cost) errrrrrrrr... welllll........ oooooooo!!!... it CAN do this AND run my office apps.. :-lol

but... each to their own...

;-)

Joe

[jcmissionary]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-18-02 AT 11:49AM (EDT)[p]I guess I'm a certified Mircosoft slave:

Win 95, 98SE
WinXP Pro
MS Office XP
MS Flight Simulator 98, 2000, 2002
MS Sidewinder 2 Joystick
MS Optical Mouse
(Edit for Slarty: I just remembered some, inspired by your list, no doubt) :-)
MS Messenger
MS Outlook
MS ActiveSync
MS Pocket PC 2002

And you know what, I don't feel bad about it one bit...
Long live the monopoly! :-lol

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[Captain_Slarty]

LMAO !!!

here, right now, I have

MS 98se
MS ofiice 97
MS outlook 2000
MS Vbasic 6 pro
MS Visual C++
MS FS2000
MS FS2002
MS Casino
MS DN CD Library
MS Visio
MS FF1 Stick
MS FF2 Stick
MS Intellimouse
MS Autoroute
MS Messenger

to name but a few :-roll

[jcmissionary]

OK, so I guess I'm not so much the slave. I thought it was quite a bit though, compared to only XP and FS... :-wave

Cap'n, are you mocking me? :-wave

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[Lugnut]

If you think Microsoft sucks, you ought to try Microsoft Motocross Madness 2. It's the best motocross game I've ever seen and it's probably the only racing game I've been hooked on since the original "need for speed".

[Captain_Slarty]

No way... :-wave

Joe

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[jcmissionary]

Oh, I don't think Microsoft sucks, quite the contrary. It's why I buy a lot of their stuff.

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[wileyecoyote]

Joe,

Judging by the picture at the bottom of your post, you should eat more vitamins... You look like h*ll... :-lol:-lol:-lol

Regards,

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[maxwood]

DITTO DITTO DITO
The FS2002 icon is setting along side Midtown Madness 2.
Midtown is ablolutely fun fun.
I even went out and bought a MS wheel (none FF), had stering problems that would not resolve so I got a Thrustmaster FF (works great).
You gotta try Midtown Madness 2 19 bucks and lots of fun. Bill can't blink an eye for 19 bucks.
iam maxwood

[dc8heavy]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-18-02 AT 01:35PM (EDT)[p]LAST EDITED ON Apr-18-02 AT 01:27 PM (EDT)

Well you're right everybody is entitled to his or her opinion..... but what I see here is someone who is mis-guided and personally i cant seem to see any justification of merit on his statement. Just because a program does not install properly. you just going to give up a specific Os!! I hate to break the news to ya!! this is a fact of life with any os and dont think linux is any easier although it is very stable system... but the reason why you are probably having problems with XP is because you have an older model computer wheather manufactured or home built.. Did you even bothered to check wheather you meet at least the min. specifications to run XP.... probably not... XP is a very demanding on system resources its a memory hog....and needs a fairly new proscesor to run nicely 500mhz just aint going to cut it....

And maybe MS is a monopoly but here is another piece of news MS is on 90% of all systems in the world. so they must be doing something right....

and no i dont own MS and dont hold stocks..... wished i own it though :-lol

educate yourself first before you come to this forum and whine with out factual information...but have a nice day




Regards,

Richard
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The only way to earn a living!!!

[Rosgillies]

Are you nuts?

[deaddonkey]

What id think is that if fs 2k2 is the best fs available, then keep it. end of story. If someone else makes a better product, as a customer, i would buy it because its my money. Dont give up on 2k2 because you think the Ms are wrong.

john

[CCairns10]

It's got to be NO Microsoft or ALL Microsoft. I can't have it in between. In addition to WinXP and FS2002 maybe I'll get Works Suite 2002 and C++ Standard. I need CAD though and Microsoft don't do any CAD software (I think) so there's a problem!

Excuse me but I think I feel one coming on -----

uuuuuuuuuuurrrrrrrrrrgggggggggghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!

Chris

[xerus]

"It's got to be NO Microsoft or ALL Microsoft. I can't have it in between."

I had thought your post was a troll and the above statement just adds to my opinion that in fact it was.

Jon

[wileyecoyote]

Gotta agree. I just totally lost Chris. What is is that he wants?

Regards,

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[Ihor]

Jeff,

A good argument 10 years ago.
The three pieces of software availble for the Mac, Adobe, Aldus & Quark work well with Windows today. Though, Apple printers always supported the PostScript Page Description Language.

Why the masses never bought the easy to use & more than 8 letters per filename MAC will always remain a mystery to me.

You make a good choice, Jeff, especially if the iBook will play DVD's!

As for composing music, it has to be Sibelius Software, originally written for RISC computers. The English Acorn I think.

Finally, the reason MACS are all over the art depts of newspapers magazines TV etc etc is beacuse the MAC had the first graphical interface in an industry where the medium was a visual one.

[BillS511]

Get over it. Whether you like or not, Microsoft is everywhere. Life is too short to be concerned about some petty nonsense.
Your only option is to throw the box out the window if you really desire independence from MS.

Bill


The "No Banner Zone"

[dc8heavy]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-18-02 AT 04:38PM (EDT)[p] At this point why even bother rsponding to this jerk-off pointless point of view. can't complain about his intelligence because there isnt any....he just wants to be argumentative to get a rise out everyone... stop responding to any of his threads/topics he will go away!!!!!!!!

I think there are other people in this forum who deserve our time and efforts..


By the way slick... unless you are going to move to a deserted island and become a hermit...... no matter where you turn you'll have MS in your daily pathetic live.....



Regards,

Richard
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The only way to earn a living!!!

[CCairns10]

If I was being disrespectful by being too facetious I apologise, I was simply tring to lighten up the thread.

What I want is continuity, maybe it is unrealistic to expect all your software to come from one company, even one as big as Microsoft. Or to expect all your software to come from types of companies you have a romantic notion of. but its continuity I'm looking for, to make life simpler, in terms of upgradability, communication and understanding.

Chris

[nwabri]

I think I have ever seen. Trying to stir the pot a bit? Your reasons are absurd. Actually....me responding to this at all is absurd....this was a waste of my time.



Brian A. Neuman
Wooodbury, MN
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[pacman99]

I don't care who makes what. If it works, and you like it, use it. Buy other companies' products too, if you want to make a statement.

No offence, but this is really, really silly.

Pacman
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[sonic33]

Sorry Chaps, Couldn't pass this thread by.

As I have said on many occsions prior to this, I am Not against MS but against the hold that one person / organisation can have on the global market place.
However,
I am also confused because, as 'rampantly independent ' as you want to be, unless everyone else is of the same idea then you are only cutting your own nose off to spite your face......

It really pains me to say it but all we can do is tag along.

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[Photobug]

Problem only lies in XP. Revert your computer to a much more stable OS like 98 Second Edition or even Win 2000. I have heard nothing but problems with XP and until there are at least 5 service packs out for XP you will not be seeing it on my computer :-)

----

Fly Fast... Live Slow... -JB

Photobug

[dc8heavy]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-18-02 AT 10:21PM (EDT)[p]i dont agree i've had XP-pro since it came out and have nothing but praises.. more stable than anything i've had in the past so you.ve heard wrong.....I think you should do a little more research before you trash the OS with out facts......


Regards,

Richard
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The only way to earn a living!!!

[Photobug]

I got to play with XP when it came out in the MSDN pack. When we first got it, it was unstable, acted like a Mac and in general was not a stable OS. I have installed it on a few systems by request only but have had much better luck with Win 2000. Most people who I installed it for came from a Mac background and I will say that most that hate it come from a 98 background. Just stating What I have noticed. I am running 98 Second Edition and have been since it came out... but then again.. I was running 95 for 4 years before I would install 98se.

When it comes right down to it.... people are going to run what they like. Me... I will not be installing XP... my next upgrade will be to 2000... but that will be awhile because most of the apps that I run dont like 2000.....

I think it boils down to what you like and what you trust as to what you will run....

[Moparmike]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-18-02 AT 10:48PM (EDT)[p]>Problem only lies in XP.
>Revert your computer to a
>much more stable OS like
>98 Second Edition or even
>Win 2000. I have
>heard nothing but problems with
>XP and until there are
>at least 5 service packs
>out for XP you will
>not be seeing it on
>my computer :-)
>
>----
>
>Fly Fast... Live Slow... -JB
>
>Photobug


My guess is the underlying problem with most of those folks having WinXP problems is actually caused by the nut behind the keyboard and not faulty coding.

Ermmm... almost every error that I've seen (both posted on the web and in my customer's machines) concerning XP has been caused due to improper use. There ARE a few issues of "legacy hardware"....BUT...nowhere near as much as the amount of non-supported legacy hardware we encountered in the Win3.x-->Win95 transition.


Keep your ear to the ground Photobug...as I've seen/heard more good reports about XP from users who actually have used XP long enough to understand that it works a bit differently than the old hodge-podge 16/32-bit Win-code of older releases. Much of the bad-mouthing of XP, errors and such, you will find is coming either from first-time users with little experience running XP or folks who don't even have the OS..."hearsay", I believe that is called.


So, if you're using it (actually ANY software) and have problems...then you've got a legitimate complaint. BUT...if you dont' have the experience with it...then don't pass judgement on it. Or...Don't knock it till you've tried it! :-lol

--edit--
I see you have tried XP Photobug. That comment is retracted for you (it wasn't really aimed specifically at you anyway...moreso a generalization to many of the XP-complainers). BTW, I used to be one of em too...until I actually sat down and started using the OS daily.

But, on your comment that you aren't using 2000 because some of your favorite programs don't run on it. You do know that Xp is based upon 2000 right? So it's likely that you will eventually have to give up that old code eventually anyway...or use the Win9x-compatibility mode to possibly stretch their lifespan.
--end edit--


Anyhoo, back to the initial troll...errrm topic...of this thread.
So, the original poster is finding that he might actually have to stick with M$ after all? Not surprising to hear...Heck, I even have a few Winblowz apps on my Linux install (and yes, they are useable).

[dc8heavy]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-18-02 AT 10:50PM (EDT)[p]granted people will run what they like.... and granted XP will not run on any computer that does not have the spec to handle it...it is memory hungry and proscessor hungry in order to work as it should, that is why MS placed a compatability web site.. to make sure your hardware will work on xp.

also let me add Win 2000 is also based on the "NT" kernel just like xp.. its very particular of hardware.. and rightly so... MS tried to please everydody by making windows 95 and 98x compatible with every "joe sixpack" manufacturer who could produce hardware of any kind...with no standards. which got out of control and hence all the instability problems.

Every OS has its issues... is to be expected. If memory serves me right XP has over 7 million lines of code... win98 had 5
So i dont think there are there are a hole lot of people out there that can say that XP is a bad OS.

BTW i dont own MS or have stock in MS thought i would've like have some of its money :-)lol I just like the OS i think is a great improvement over Win 98se and with better features

Regards,

Richard
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The only way to earn a living!!!

[budreiser]

I have not read any of the above so I feel a little guilty in
responding, but in defense of Mr. Gates, I must put in my two
cents worth. To begin with, where would we be in the computer
world without MICROSOFT. I do not like monopoly's, but on the
other hand, when someone gives you so much, do you knock them
down and try to send them to extinction? I have a son who is a
software engineer, who disliked Microsoft years ago. Since then,
he has turned his head around and feels that MS is doing more
for PC's than anyone else inthe industry. That's good enough
for me.

[Photobug]

Agreed. I am just not the type to run it. There are persons out there that swear by Mac. I dont think they are wrong for likeing the Mac OS... it's just not for me. As with XP... I dont think that people are wrong for running it... heck... it may very well be a better OS for them... as for me.... call me hard headed. :-) I like my OS and I have always said... if it's working for you... dont screw with it. LOL.

I get computers every day where someone has decided that they want the latest and greatest of everything and they find the first down fall and bring it back to me to have it removed to go back to the system they had before. It's like my first real flight, I found that there is no way in hell that I can point the nose of a real aircraft at the ground but I can in my sim. I am secure that I am not going to die in my sim but in a real airplane... I can. So to make it short... I am personaly secure with my current OS and one day they will drag me kicking and screaming to the next OS. :-)

[dc8heavy]

hey mike what does mopar stand for? Mostly Old Parts And Rust!!!! :-lol:-lol:-lol Just a joke i used to be a Chrysler nut before I changed careers and went flying 20 years ago

p.s FORD Found Off Road Dead,,,,, First On Race Day

cant write what Pontiac is.. might offend some people.....
Regards,

Richard
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The only way to earn a living!!!

[dc8heavy]

read a few of the threads above think you'll aggree....


Regards,

Richard
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The only way to earn a living!!!

[Photobug]

Thing of it is with Uncle Bill is that 1. He did steal his OS. 2. If Bill did not do what he did we would all be running Macs right now. Mind you... Steve did nothing for himself by not releasing rights for cloning for his Apple II system. Had he done that I can tell you right now we WOULD be running Macs.

[Moparmike]

RGR that Photobug! Good Luck...and if it makes you feel any better, I still have 98SE on a dual-boot setup too to test my programming. Some days I fire it up just for the helluvit...maybe it's because I miss the required hourly reboots. :-)

[dc8heavy]

again its from people who dont understand how it works ....and if you build systems for others... educate them on what on what to expect.that is nor the old OS... there is a differace....



Regards,

Richard
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The only way to earn a living!!!

[budreiser]

Hello Richard. We have something in commom. I worked for MOPAR
(aka Chyrsler Parts) or howeverthehellyouspelledit) back around
1951. Not something I wanted to remember but, hey man, it was
part of my life. I envy you and your career, but in a nice way.
You seem ike a dam nice guy. Keep in touch. My e mail is
bjreiser@bellsouth.net

P.S. Would have loved to earn my living flying. Had to settle
for a career with U.S. National Weather Service which was not
too bad.

[Moparmike]

:P:P:P hehehe

Actully I've had this nametag since high-school. Out of 30-some kids in my class, I was the ONLY one who owned a Dodge ('69 Coronet) except for one kid with a rusted-out Omni...but that wasn't a Mopar...it's an Iaccoca-mobile! LMAO and yes, it did win a few impromptu beer-races too. And since then, I've always had at least one laying around either as a project or daily-driver.

Oh to be young-and-dumb again! LOL Not a care in the world (except beer-money and........well, this is a G-rated forum). But then again, I'd probably kill myself doing some of the **** that we used to pull!


Speaking of the daily-driver...
Isn't just the ugliest darn thing you've ever saw? :-lol
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[cascadesss]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-19-02 AT 00:17AM (EDT)[p]LAST EDITED ON Apr-19-02 AT 00:09 AM (EDT)

Oh Please.....

And Apple didn't get their ideas from Xerox? Learn your history.

Steve's decision landed them with a whole 5% market share.

Rick - KPDX
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Priv Pilot Since '73
Instrument Rated
Multi-Engine

[helo_av8or]

"A good argument 10 years ago..." haha, maybe you're right.

Good point from everyone's favorite pirate as well, XP runs all of my business apps, but has anyone noticed how much XP looks like MAC OSX? Yeah, I know the GUI and the guts are two different things, but I find other companies' copies of MAC ideas somewhat amusing. Economically it only makes sense that if Compaq sees that Apple is selling iMacs in different colors that Compaqs are soon to emerge in colors (although they've finally fixed those ugly cases with the new, pretty black.) Whether you like them or not, you have to admit that Apple puts out some pretty neat hardware. I want one of those 24" flat screen monitors, and a dual G4 to run it would be nice too!

Jeff
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[bertvankampen]

Dear Chris,
We are living in a so called "freeworld"; so you can make your own free decision.
But if i may give you one advice and you want to be completely independant from Microsoft switch over to PLaystation...

bert


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[mattius]

Vaild Point! I totally agree. This guy seems to dislike MS without giving a vaid reason. I think they should be commended for producing such an excellent SIM.

[Photobug]

Yea.... there ya go... I hear the Playstation OS is real Good. You can run lots of games.

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Fly Fast.... Live Slow... -JB

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[stabilep]

Oh look another Anti-Microsoft person....Why do you hate microsoft? Is it because they were successful as a company and now are beign ruthless to maintain superioirty? OMG! thats terrible!? In my opion what the compouter industry needs is a standardized operating sytem. And thats what windows is. THis way comapnies don't need to release 20 different versinos of thier software for 20 different OS. Sure thei a monoply but shoudl we hate them because of that? Yes its illegal to be a monoploy in the US but you have to remebr that law was made when these Railroad comapnies were dominating only one area and squashing all others. Its the only reason why it was created (I think) now days as I see it all it does is punish a comapny for its success. Isn;t that what companies are suppsoed to do? Become the most succesful in their field?

"ASK NOT WHAT I CAN DO FOR YOU! BUT WHY CAN'T YOU DO IT YOURSELF!" me

[CarlosTheTackle]

I use a Mac at work (for sound design) and a PC at home, so I feel confident in making the following generalisation:
Macs are better as stand-alone workstations for a dedicated application (eg. Pro Tools, what I use) but for overall all-purpose useability and customisation they are crap. Apart from the high-end applications the software is usually rubbish and written for morons who know nothing about computers (this is the basis of Apple's keep it simple philosophy, which, for anyone with a brain means keep it limited.)

And don't give me the Macs-are-more-stable rubbish either, my work computer crashes just as much as my PC at home.

Not to mention Macs are lousy at multi-tasking. You wouldn't believe how many times I've crashed the computer by trying to run an operation in in one app and browse a web page simultaneously. Give me a Windows PC anyday.

Enough said,

Carl.

[stabilep]

I agree with Capn_Slarty MAC's used to be great at the aformentioned thigns but now PC"s just run them just as well. But because tese comapnies have invested in so mcuh in their Macintoshes they have yet to chnage over one day they will. I hoenstly hink MAC should do liek Sega and start devolping perherpials for PC's and their iMusic thingy for MP3 is the best out there I eman they can do good stuff when they try they are just beign stubborn

"ASK NOT WHAT I CAN DO FOR YOU! BUT WHY CAN'T YOU DO IT YOURSELF!" me

[stabilep]

Just out of curiosity Capn_SLarty what makes you think NV will buy out AMD? They don't even manufacture the same things....And as for MS buying out any of the hardware companies I doubt that will happen because if anythign the governemnt will freak out and probably intervene. (And yes I know that they also stopped the anti-trust suit against MS but thats different let MS have their monopoly just don';t let it infect our computer hardware)

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[stabilep]

Umm yeah I see....right well no offense but thats not that intelligent of a sdtament. WHose says everyhtign has to be made by MS? I have a lot of Non-MS programs as well as MS products and they live together in harmony. :) Besides as for CAd programs AutoCAD 2002 is probably the best out there for simpel 2D and technical drawign engineers woudl love Pro- Engineer . So there are a lot of choses but there is no reason why you need to go all MS....its just not logical.

"ASK NOT WHAT I CAN DO FOR YOU! BUT WHY CAN'T YOU DO IT YOURSELF!" me

[ukflight]

>I think I have ever seen.
>Trying to stir the pot
>a bit? Your reasons are
>absurd. Actually....me responding to this
>at all is absurd....this was
>a waste of my time.


Hey - shouldn't you be feeding or nappy changing at this time of day? :-lol

[still_hovering]

Decided to change stapler.

I fear that if I continue to use my swingline stapler their company gets one step closer to conquer to the world.

I feel that I take a very important decision here. Maybe it all depends on me?

I urge you all to follow my example..

:-lol :-lol :-lol

//Leif

[stabilep]

YOUR RIGHT! OMG! *tosses stapler* TAKE THAT SWINGLINE! MUHAHAHA NOW THEY WILLL GO BANKRUPT!

"ASK NOT WHAT I CAN DO FOR YOU! BUT WHY CAN'T YOU DO IT YOURSELF!" me

[still_hovering]

Maybe we should run the "swingline stapler" -issue
in it's own thread...
it is _very_ important to make a stand..

//Leif

[Captain_Slarty]

Hiya

Well, MS has a vision for the future.

The PC for most things, including home audio, vidio, internet, office etc, and the xbox for games.

there is an ever evolving closeness between hardware and software too, it makes sense fo a software manufacturer of the quality and size of MS to produce stable, off the shelf boxes in the future.... so.... it would be a good move.

Dont think the anti trust morons have a cat in hells chance on this one either. ;-)



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[dc8heavy]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-19-02 AT 12:54PM (EDT)[p]
yeah lets make a stand agaist the monopolistic empire of swingline

:-wave :-irks :-lol :-jumpy

Regards,

Richard
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The only way to earn a living!!!

[xplanefanatic]

I don't want to give up my swingline stapler, it works so well with XP......wwwwwwwhhhhhhhhhhaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

:-lol :-lol :-lol

[ukflight]

I'm well ahead of you all - bought a new Rexel stapler yesterday as the spring had gone out of my old stapler :-jumpy

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Dear Swingline customer,
Thank you for purchasing your new Swingline 2002 Pro edition stapler. We hope you enjoy securing documents together with it as much as we enjoyed developing it for you.

It is with great regret that we have to infom you of a security flaw in the staple chamber. It seems that when the unit is placed to close to paper clips they can break into the staple chamber and cause a staple jam in the staple delivery slot. At this time we are asking our customers to please keep their Swingline stapler at least 3 feet away from any form of paper clip holder of any sort.

Please know that Swingline is going the distance to bring you a high quality staple unit and is moving as quickly as possable to resolve the current issue.



Sincerly yours,

Pap E. Clip


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Fly Fast... Live Slow... -JB

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[dc8heavy]

LAST EDITED ON Apr-20-02 AT 10:54AM (EDT)[p]Dear Swingline customer

We've seen a lot of speculation in the swingline forums and newsgroups about a "patch" or update for swingline stapler 2002. The short answer to all the questions is that we have NO!!! plans to issue an update for Swinline 2002. We can issue updates only to address major issues that affect installation and operation of the Stapler. Feature enhancements (e.g., changes to the staple delivey system or loading of staples involve interdependent code changes that require extensive planning, development, and testing, and they are feasible only during development of a new verions
In other words you're out of luck.

Again Thank you for purchasing a Swingline product...

Regards,
Tech support:-lol :-lol :-lol


ps does that statement sound familiar????? :-hmmm

Richard
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The only way to earn a living!!!

[still_hovering]

:-lol :-lol :-lol :-lol

thanks for the laugh!

didn't know this was of such big interest..

//Leif

[dc8heavy]

[bump]
Regards,

Richard
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The only way to earn a living!!!

[Bullman]

:-hmmm

Wow the thought of giving up FS2K2 I almost :-irks

Microsoft makes excellent products and I will be in line again to buy the next flightsim (FS2004) - I also purchased ProPilot, X-plane etc etc - they sit on the shelve..

bye

[dc8heavy]

Great.. but what about your swingline stapler???????

:-lol :-jumpy
Regards,

Richard
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The only way to earn a living!!!

[helo_av8or]

My Swingline Stapler always blue screens on me, have they released a patch yet? What about the SDK (Stapler Development Kit)? We won't have quality Freeware addons until the SDK is released!

Jeff
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[dc8heavy]

read my post no. 78 :-lol :-lol

Regards,

Richard
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The only way to earn a living!!!

[stabilep]

Aw those $^%*%&(#*)@ now what am I going to do! Without a patch my stapler won't operate right the staples are never perfect and it always locks up! And I wwant my SDK so I can have some colorful staplers! And while I am at it I should get the "inferior" stapler that isn;t made by swingline because its not a swingline and I am sure it staples perfectly all the time.

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[junky354]

What I would say is never buy another flight simulator from microsoft. you arn't doing anything by trashing FS2002. What are you going to do make microsoft lose there moral. :-lol

The only thing you do by keeping FS2002 is holding the real world weather survers tied up. So I say keep FS2002. Just don't buy FS2004 or FS2006. whatever. don't buy anotherone ever again. I just got Fs2002 a few weeks ago and i lived on Fs2000 for about 6 months after the realese of fs2002.

If you are going to trash it I know someone who would love to have it if you just send it to me.

Paul

[Shri]

The best advice I could give is:
"don't cut your nose to spike the enemy!"

Shri.