alexmaercker
02-09-2002, 08:23 PM
[quote:06da3d0f66][quote:06da3d0f66]U have been trying to add two extra windows to a 737 panel, extending thereby
the number of default added windows.e.g.
Shift + 2 opens the Radio Stack window
Shift + 3 " " GPS. etc.
I just don't seem to be able to get them right. Probably I'm missing out
something in my amendment of the panel.cfg
I would value any help on what I should enter in the cfg: e.g. file=.........
ident=......... and which gauges I need to specify below.
The two primary instruments I want to set up on the two proposed extra windows
are:
(1) Attitude Indicator
(2) VSI
I could then maximize the panel window (via "W") and then open and re-size,
where necessary, the two added windows superimposed on the maximized window
I feel sure that it must be possible. In one of my attempts I actually got half
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[quote:06da3d0f66]of an HSI.
Any help grately appreciated.
Thank you.
Peter Preston
Peter, here are a couple of file fragments from my latest effort at what you're
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[quote:06da3d0f66]proposing:
[Window Titles]
Window00=Main Panel
Window01=GPS
Window02=Compass
Window03=Radio_Stack_Panel
Window04=Alt Altimeter
This part obviously appears at the top. The Window04 is my "alternate"
altimeter. The normal gauge in this particular plane has an essentially
unreadable barometric setting. My alternate altimeter sits in a "window" like
you describe and I "call" it with SHIFT+5.
[Window04]
size_mm=130
windowsize_ratio=.5
position=8
visible=0
ident=50
gauge00=KingAir!Altimeter,0,0
This part is the actual "window." The position statement forces it into the
lower right-hand corner. The windowsize_ratio and the size_mm together make it
large enough to be readable but small enough to be relatively unobtrusive.
Since I only use this gauge when passing through FL180, I only need it to
appear on the panel for a few seconds. Once the pressure is set to 29.92 after
passing FL180 it doesn't need to be touched again! During descent back through
FL180 ATC will notify me of the correct altimeter setting and I "adjust" the
setting with the "B" key.
I didn't leave this altimeter (the KingAir version) on the panel, because that
gauge doesn't look anything like the rest of the gauges. It does, however, have
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[quote:06da3d0f66]a very readable pressure setting number.
You will have to play with the size of the gauge as well as the two parameters
I mention above. My gauge doesn't perfectly fit the window - but in my case I
don't care as the gauge doesn't appear for very long.
You don't need to get rid of the main panel with the "W" key either - my window
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[quote:06da3d0f66]automatically overlays the main panel.
This may help you get started. Or did I lead you down the wrong path?
Art
Absolutely no wrong path at all, Art, and thank you very much for taking the
trouble to give me such detailed help. So far via the cfgedit programme I have
managed to get the vsi gauge working, though I haven't yet figured out how to
reduce the size of the bitmap I created for it, so that it will exactly fit the
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gauge. I use it for the last stage of final approach when the panel sometimes
obscures the view of the runway and the obvious solution is to maximize the
view. The two files I need to make a well-controlled landing are, it seems to
me, vsi and attitude indicator, so that I can both get right my sink speed and
also keep the nose just that little bit above the horizon for touchdown (you'll
gather from this that I don't fly many taildraggers).
My next task is to get an attitude indicator stuck to a bitmap.
Best wishes and many thanks,
Peter P
Peter, use a graphics editor to resize the bitmap to your taste. In ConfigEdit,
create a new window using this bitmap, place the gauge in question over it and
resize it with the mouse to the size of the bitmap.
Hop0e this helps,
Alex
Success! Thanks to the valuable advice which you both gave me I now have three
extra windows in my 737-400 panel.cfg and they make landing much smoother, for
now, when on final approach I get down to about 1000 feet or so, I can maximize
view with the "W" key - thus removing the runway-obscuring panel - and then add
to the new screen vsi, hsi and adi, in my view the three most important
instruments -given that I always fly with Wilco van Deijl's superb gpws98/2000
- for landing.
Your help has saved me hours, perhaps days, of stumbling around in the dark.
I'm very much obliged.
Peter Preston
Interesting to see different approaches to flying Peter, (that wasn't intended
to be a pun). I would be happy to fly an approach with just a single
instrument - the ASI, yet you don't rate it a mention. Too slow and you are
risking a stall, or at least a high sink-rate, and too fast you will float
halfway along the runway, but the other criteria can be judged visually.
Mal
Mal,
I agree 100% about the ASI but I have that taken care of by pressing Shift + Z
which puts the airspeed on the screen. I can also have it called out to me at
regular intervals as one of the functions of Wilco van Deijl's excellent gpws98
(updated by Ernie Alston's gpws2000). So what with gpws98/2000 and the
on-screen data, I reckoned I didn't need a separate ASI window. Moreover, since
the object of the exercise was to be able to remove the panel, which was
obstructing views of the runway, while retaining necessary instruments, there
was a need not to clutter the maximized view unnecessarily.
As you say, it's interesting to see other people's priorities. What kind of
aircraft had you in mind, by the way?
All the best,
Peter
Ahh, that's a relief Peter, you're not going to fall out of the sky after all.
I didn't have any particular aircraft type in mind, just generalising. Most of
my flying is bush aircraft and I usually retain the full panel, adjusting the
view with shift+enter if need be during the approach, and reverting to default
postion just prior to flaring. This gives the top of the coaming as a
reference for flaring, or in the case of taildraggers blocks the view giving
the true to life feel of listen, wait, hope.
Cheers
Mal
I think the most popular sequence is:
listen, wait, hope, Beethoven (Tatata Taaa) ... ;-)
Alex
Alex,
After Hope I would have thought Crosby rather than Beethoven.
I hope you are a connaisseur of American films of yesteryear.
Peter
LOL, do you mean, regarding the pilot and the plane:
"For you and me have a guardian angel ...." ??? ;-)))
Alex
I know that film ("High Society") well and it is in my opinion one of the few
films Bing Crosby made which showed that he could act as well as sing. However,
as you know, Bob Hope wasn't in it.
Just one linguistic point, Alex. Song lyrics writers are not generally known
for adhering to the accepted rules of grammar but, when Bing sang this song
"True Love" to Grace Kelly, he quite definitely sang:
"For you and I have a guardian angel
on high with nothing to do...etc"
All the same your English is much better than my German.
Peter
Thanks for the compliment, Peter. And thanks for correcting me - that's the
only way to improve my knowledge.
It's not so easy to deal with several languages. Some years ago I've been
working for a small company that had customers in many countries and, when we
were presenting our goods and services on international fairs, I had to switch
from one language to the other at short term. THAT was practice ... ;-)
I very appreciate your support and hope that you will continue in this way.
Helps me a lot ...
Alex
the number of default added windows.e.g.
Shift + 2 opens the Radio Stack window
Shift + 3 " " GPS. etc.
I just don't seem to be able to get them right. Probably I'm missing out
something in my amendment of the panel.cfg
I would value any help on what I should enter in the cfg: e.g. file=.........
ident=......... and which gauges I need to specify below.
The two primary instruments I want to set up on the two proposed extra windows
are:
(1) Attitude Indicator
(2) VSI
I could then maximize the panel window (via "W") and then open and re-size,
where necessary, the two added windows superimposed on the maximized window
I feel sure that it must be possible. In one of my attempts I actually got half
[/quote:06da3d0f66][/quote:06da3d0f66]
[quote:06da3d0f66]
[quote:06da3d0f66]of an HSI.
Any help grately appreciated.
Thank you.
Peter Preston
Peter, here are a couple of file fragments from my latest effort at what you're
[/quote:06da3d0f66][/quote:06da3d0f66]
[quote:06da3d0f66]proposing:
[Window Titles]
Window00=Main Panel
Window01=GPS
Window02=Compass
Window03=Radio_Stack_Panel
Window04=Alt Altimeter
This part obviously appears at the top. The Window04 is my "alternate"
altimeter. The normal gauge in this particular plane has an essentially
unreadable barometric setting. My alternate altimeter sits in a "window" like
you describe and I "call" it with SHIFT+5.
[Window04]
size_mm=130
windowsize_ratio=.5
position=8
visible=0
ident=50
gauge00=KingAir!Altimeter,0,0
This part is the actual "window." The position statement forces it into the
lower right-hand corner. The windowsize_ratio and the size_mm together make it
large enough to be readable but small enough to be relatively unobtrusive.
Since I only use this gauge when passing through FL180, I only need it to
appear on the panel for a few seconds. Once the pressure is set to 29.92 after
passing FL180 it doesn't need to be touched again! During descent back through
FL180 ATC will notify me of the correct altimeter setting and I "adjust" the
setting with the "B" key.
I didn't leave this altimeter (the KingAir version) on the panel, because that
gauge doesn't look anything like the rest of the gauges. It does, however, have
[/quote:06da3d0f66]
[quote:06da3d0f66]a very readable pressure setting number.
You will have to play with the size of the gauge as well as the two parameters
I mention above. My gauge doesn't perfectly fit the window - but in my case I
don't care as the gauge doesn't appear for very long.
You don't need to get rid of the main panel with the "W" key either - my window
[/quote:06da3d0f66]
[quote:06da3d0f66]automatically overlays the main panel.
This may help you get started. Or did I lead you down the wrong path?
Art
Absolutely no wrong path at all, Art, and thank you very much for taking the
trouble to give me such detailed help. So far via the cfgedit programme I have
managed to get the vsi gauge working, though I haven't yet figured out how to
reduce the size of the bitmap I created for it, so that it will exactly fit the
[/quote:06da3d0f66]
gauge. I use it for the last stage of final approach when the panel sometimes
obscures the view of the runway and the obvious solution is to maximize the
view. The two files I need to make a well-controlled landing are, it seems to
me, vsi and attitude indicator, so that I can both get right my sink speed and
also keep the nose just that little bit above the horizon for touchdown (you'll
gather from this that I don't fly many taildraggers).
My next task is to get an attitude indicator stuck to a bitmap.
Best wishes and many thanks,
Peter P
Peter, use a graphics editor to resize the bitmap to your taste. In ConfigEdit,
create a new window using this bitmap, place the gauge in question over it and
resize it with the mouse to the size of the bitmap.
Hop0e this helps,
Alex
Success! Thanks to the valuable advice which you both gave me I now have three
extra windows in my 737-400 panel.cfg and they make landing much smoother, for
now, when on final approach I get down to about 1000 feet or so, I can maximize
view with the "W" key - thus removing the runway-obscuring panel - and then add
to the new screen vsi, hsi and adi, in my view the three most important
instruments -given that I always fly with Wilco van Deijl's superb gpws98/2000
- for landing.
Your help has saved me hours, perhaps days, of stumbling around in the dark.
I'm very much obliged.
Peter Preston
Interesting to see different approaches to flying Peter, (that wasn't intended
to be a pun). I would be happy to fly an approach with just a single
instrument - the ASI, yet you don't rate it a mention. Too slow and you are
risking a stall, or at least a high sink-rate, and too fast you will float
halfway along the runway, but the other criteria can be judged visually.
Mal
Mal,
I agree 100% about the ASI but I have that taken care of by pressing Shift + Z
which puts the airspeed on the screen. I can also have it called out to me at
regular intervals as one of the functions of Wilco van Deijl's excellent gpws98
(updated by Ernie Alston's gpws2000). So what with gpws98/2000 and the
on-screen data, I reckoned I didn't need a separate ASI window. Moreover, since
the object of the exercise was to be able to remove the panel, which was
obstructing views of the runway, while retaining necessary instruments, there
was a need not to clutter the maximized view unnecessarily.
As you say, it's interesting to see other people's priorities. What kind of
aircraft had you in mind, by the way?
All the best,
Peter
Ahh, that's a relief Peter, you're not going to fall out of the sky after all.
I didn't have any particular aircraft type in mind, just generalising. Most of
my flying is bush aircraft and I usually retain the full panel, adjusting the
view with shift+enter if need be during the approach, and reverting to default
postion just prior to flaring. This gives the top of the coaming as a
reference for flaring, or in the case of taildraggers blocks the view giving
the true to life feel of listen, wait, hope.
Cheers
Mal
I think the most popular sequence is:
listen, wait, hope, Beethoven (Tatata Taaa) ... ;-)
Alex
Alex,
After Hope I would have thought Crosby rather than Beethoven.
I hope you are a connaisseur of American films of yesteryear.
Peter
LOL, do you mean, regarding the pilot and the plane:
"For you and me have a guardian angel ...." ??? ;-)))
Alex
I know that film ("High Society") well and it is in my opinion one of the few
films Bing Crosby made which showed that he could act as well as sing. However,
as you know, Bob Hope wasn't in it.
Just one linguistic point, Alex. Song lyrics writers are not generally known
for adhering to the accepted rules of grammar but, when Bing sang this song
"True Love" to Grace Kelly, he quite definitely sang:
"For you and I have a guardian angel
on high with nothing to do...etc"
All the same your English is much better than my German.
Peter
Thanks for the compliment, Peter. And thanks for correcting me - that's the
only way to improve my knowledge.
It's not so easy to deal with several languages. Some years ago I've been
working for a small company that had customers in many countries and, when we
were presenting our goods and services on international fairs, I had to switch
from one language to the other at short term. THAT was practice ... ;-)
I very appreciate your support and hope that you will continue in this way.
Helps me a lot ...
Alex