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artburke
01-31-2002, 09:24 AM
Finally i pulled myself together and got Radar Contact + all the chatterfiles
and what a pleasant surprise, though it's a little sad that the AI planes,
besides being parked mysteriously around the airport i depart - are not
working. Maybe vers. 3 of Radar Contact will have solved that? But i would
rather live without them than be without this ATC program - it for sure makes
everything more realistic.

OK - no software have ever been made, where there isn't anything to comment.

As i have the feeling that there are more than one here using Radar Contact,
i'm curious if anyone else have noticed:

1. after having circled around in a holding pattern (i think the right word
is) and you are told to continue - often towards the last waypoint you passed -


and it's the co-pilot flying the plane, she will start to circle forever around


this waypoint. Only way i have found out, is to take over the control of the
plane until new directions are given from ground - then first she will have
forgot everything about the waypoint.

2. When you are approaching and have started the descend, you will be send to


10.000 ft with an information that you will have to reach this altitude at a
certain time to meet the crossing-restrictions. Well - understandable, but
sometimes it's almost impossible, unless you will dive like the Stuka's during
an attack. Today - descending with 3000fpm. - around 280 kts - speed brakes (as


the plane desperately wanted to increase the speed all the time) it was not
possible. I could ofcourse have chosen 5.000 fpm and turned off the engines -
but... :) Furthermore - this point was 100 NM from the airport!!! I do wonder
if the program calculate this right?

3. Then there's the lectures in the end when you activate the parking brakes
at the end. Hmmm - at least i have heard the good one most of the times, but
yesterday it seemed a bit stupid. Approaching the airport the ILS freq. didn't
seem to work - the plane drifted away, so i had to take over, but though the
speed was 220 kts. the B747 wouldn't keep the altitude and raised nose - and
stalled. Great problems, but i managed somehow to save it, though the problem
continued. Finally - as i got tired, i landed the opposite way - rather
dramatically, as the plane didn't want to descend at that point. Well - I MADE
IT!! - strangely enough the gears didn't fall appart.. (I'm not going to use
that plane again)!!! Anyway - his message: Congratulations... etc. etc. Seemed
a bit stupid after this nightmare.

Am i the only one who experience this?? ;)

Cheers

Lars

1. Can't address this one. I don't think I've ever got stuck in a holding
patter - I generally accept delay vectors in case of bad weather and I've never
flown letting Otto control the plane.
2. I agree wholeheartedly. In my Commander 114TC I've had to descend at well
over 2000fpm to get to the "crossing" point. I think it seems a bit unrealistic
as well.
3. Sounds bizarre.My favorite is to be approved for landing, get everything set
up and then have the tower to tell me to go around - for no apparent reason!

Despite some of these frailties/difficulties, etc., it is the best program of
its genre so far. After having experienced Flight Shop, Super Flight Planner,
ProFlight and Radar Contact, my vote still goes with Radar Contact.
Art

lkx
01-31-2002, 09:37 AM
Finally i pulled myself together and got Radar Contact + all the chatterfiles
and what a pleasant surprise, though it's a little sad that the AI planes,
besides being parked mysteriously around the airport i depart - are not
working. Maybe vers. 3 of Radar Contact will have solved that? But i would
rather live without them than be without this ATC program - it for sure makes
everything more realistic.

OK - no software have ever been made, where there isn't anything to comment.

As i have the feeling that there are more than one here using Radar Contact,
i'm curious if anyone else have noticed:

1. after having circled around in a holding pattern (i think the right word
is) and you are told to continue - often towards the last waypoint you passed -




and it's the co-pilot flying the plane, she will start to circle forever around




this waypoint. Only way i have found out, is to take over the control of the
plane until new directions are given from ground - then first she will have
forgot everything about the waypoint.

2. When you are approaching and have started the descend, you will be send to




10.000 ft with an information that you will have to reach this altitude at a
certain time to meet the crossing-restrictions. Well - understandable, but
sometimes it's almost impossible, unless you will dive like the Stuka's during
an attack. Today - descending with 3000fpm. - around 280 kts - speed brakes (as




the plane desperately wanted to increase the speed all the time) it was not
possible. I could ofcourse have chosen 5.000 fpm and turned off the engines -
but... :) Furthermore - this point was 100 NM from the airport!!! I do wonder
if the program calculate this right?

3. Then there's the lectures in the end when you activate the parking brakes
at the end. Hmmm - at least i have heard the good one most of the times, but
yesterday it seemed a bit stupid. Approaching the airport the ILS freq. didn't
seem to work - the plane drifted away, so i had to take over, but though the
speed was 220 kts. the B747 wouldn't keep the altitude and raised nose - and
stalled. Great problems, but i managed somehow to save it, though the problem
continued. Finally - as i got tired, i landed the opposite way - rather
dramatically, as the plane didn't want to descend at that point. Well - I MADE
IT!! - strangely enough the gears didn't fall appart.. (I'm not going to use
that plane again)!!! Anyway - his message: Congratulations... etc. etc. Seemed
a bit stupid after this nightmare.

Am i the only one who experience this?? ;)

Cheers

Lars

1. Can't address this one. I don't think I've ever got stuck in a holding
patter - I generally accept delay vectors in case of bad weather and I've never


flown letting Otto control the plane.
2. I agree wholeheartedly. In my Commander 114TC I've had to descend at well
over 2000fpm to get to the "crossing" point. I think it seems a bit unrealistic


as well.
3. Sounds bizarre.My favorite is to be approved for landing, get everything set


up and then have the tower to tell me to go around - for no apparent reason!

Despite some of these frailties/difficulties, etc., it is the best program of
its genre so far. After having experienced Flight Shop, Super Flight Planner,
ProFlight and Radar Contact, my vote still goes with Radar Contact.
Art


I totally agree with you Art - Radar Contact is a must. Most just doesn't
realize it before they have got it!! I should have got it long ago!

Oh - sofar i have only tried to be told to "go around" once - at Arlanda,
Stockholm. With the default ATC in FS2K2 it's more the rule than the exception.
Well - let's see how many times i will experience that! :)

Now that i let "Otto" - or "Jamie" fly the plane, is that my normal flights
last close to 4 hours - above FL300 (not much to see anyway), so i want to be
able to do something else... I could take it back maybe 30 min. before landing,
but sometimes the sound is awful and i can't hear a thing. Jamie however
understands it perfectly! :) (I could ask the controller to repeat it - but he
don't seem to like one asking)!! LOL

Cheers

Lars