Issues with Fokker 50s by Rob Bennis

[JAK721]

Has anybody successfully imported ANY Fokker 50 created by Rob Bennis? If I try to use them "outta the box" I get an error from FS2k2 concerning the model file. If I repair the mdl file in question using the utility MDL Repair, FS2k2 accepts it, but the props won't spin when the engines are running.

I e-mailed Rob, but haven't heard from him.

Thanks,

-Jak721

[pylon101]

You know, I did once. It was F-50 in Avianca Colombia liveries. It does, it works, though while airborn it is pretty nervous. Something should be changed in config. file, I guess. Nick

[DanielParrott]

Had all sorts of problems with F27s and F50s, I've moved onto to other things for now, but if anyone has managed to get a happy working setup for these, let us know!!

Daniel, Wales UK

[Wippenstein]

I imported the F50 you mean, in KLM livery, got the same error msg but after using mdrepair it works fine, including animation of the propellors, which I must say looks very nice when you start the engines.

Wiljo

[davec69]

You guys seem to be the only ones tlking about the F50, so I'll ask here. Has anyone found a good FS2002 F50 which will work with the [F50 Panel Project] panel. So far, I've found an Aer Lingus, which works ok, the Rob Bennis A/C worked, but I couldnt get the flaps to work. The props did spin though. Just like to find one AC to go with this newly found panel.

[DanielParrott]

Hey, davec69.....

Did you do anything special to that Aer Lingus Fokker?
I downloaded one (it was the only one I could find) from flightsim.com and I get the same serious lack of activity (props stopped, refuse to start and then the sim tries to quit me back to the main menu).

All I did was mdl repair it, dump the thing on the runway and attempt to go....no joy. I have never met an aircraft more reluctant to fly :D

I'm trying to fly exotic Russian Tupolevs and making my Tristars shiny instead at the mo, but I'm sure I'll get the Fokker in the end.

Daniel, Wales, UK

[Wippenstein]

Well, as said, my download worked fine after mdl repair, no problem with the panel either. It's in KLM livery.
Also KLM seems to have few problems with them as they fly through half Europe with them!

Wiljo

[DanielParrott]

I'll have another look later, thanks!
I'm glad KLM have it sorted!!

Daniel

[davec69]

I ran it through WBC, messed around with the weight. That's all I've done.

Here's what the aircraft.cfg looks like using the FokkerF50v4.airfile

[FLTSIM.0]
TITLE=FOKKER50 AER LINGUS (NEW COLORS)
SIM=FOKKERF50V4
MODEL=
PANEL=
SOUND=
TEXTURE=
CHECKLISTS=
KB_CHECKLISTS=
ATC_TYPE=FOKKER
ATC_ID_ENABLE=0
ATC_ID=F50V4
EDITABLE=1
UI_MANUFACTURER=FOKKER
UI_TYPE=FOKKER50
UI_VARIATION=AER LINGUS (NEW COLORS)
DESCRIPTION=FOKKER F50 SERIES 100 V4X AIR FILE\NP & W PW125B ENGINES:2,500SHP\/5MINS \NCARRYING UP TO 50 PASSENGERS (58 IN HIGH DENSITY CONFIGURATION).\NMAX\/NORM CONTINUOUS CRUISE: 224\/195 KNOTS.\NMAX T\/O: 20,820KG\/45,900LB.\NRANGE WITH 50 PASSENGERS & RESERVES: 1,524NM (HIGH GROSS WEIGHT OPTION).\NAN EFFECTIVE UPDATE OF THE OLDER GENERATION OF FEEDER LINER, GOOD FIELD PERFORMANCE AND NEW ENGINES AND AVIONICS.\NTHIS AIR FILE BY SIMON EVANS 13\/01\/01 WITH THANKS ....


[FORCEFEEDBACK]
STICK_SHAKER_MAGNITUDE=8000 ; 0 - 10000
STICK_SHAKER_DIRECTION=18000 ; 0 - 35999 DEGREES
STICK_SHAKER_PERIOD=111111 ; IN MICROSECONDS
GEAR_BUMP_NOSE_MAGNITUDE=6000 ; 0 - 10000
GEAR_BUMP_NOSE_DIRECTION=18000 ; 0 - 35999 DEGREES
GEAR_BUMP_NOSE_DURATION=250000 ; IN MICROSECONDS
GEAR_BUMP_LEFT_MAGNITUDE=5700 ; 0 - 10000
GEAR_BUMP_LEFT_DIRECTION=355000 ; 0 - 35999 DEGREES
GEAR_BUMP_LEFT_DURATION=250000 ; IN MICROSECONDS
GEAR_BUMP_RIGHT_MAGNITUDE=5700 ; 0 - 10000
GEAR_BUMP_RIGHT_DIRECTION=79000 ; 0 - 35999 DEGREES
GEAR_BUMP_RIGHT_DURATION=250000 ; IN MICROSECONDS
GROUND_BUMPS_MAGNITUDE1=3300 ; 0 - 10000
GROUND_BUMPS_ANGLE1=08900 ; 0 - 35999 DEGREES
GROUND_BUMPS_INTERCEPT1=5.0
GROUND_BUMPS_SLOPE1=0.48
GROUND_BUMPS_MAGNITUDE2=720 ; 0 - 10000
GROUND_BUMPS_ANGLE2=09100 ; 0 - 35999 DEGREES
GROUND_BUMPS_INTERCEPT2=0.075
GROUND_BUMPS_SLOPE2=1.035
CRASH_MAGNITUDE1=10000 ; 0 - 10000
CRASH_DIRECTION1=01000 ; 0 - 35999 DEGREES
CRASH_MAGNITUDE2=10000 ; 0 - 10000
CRASH_DIRECTION2=9000 ; 0 - 35999 DEGREES
CRASH_PERIOD2=75000 ; IN MICROSECONDS
CRASH_DURATION2=2500000 ; IN MICROSECONDS

[TURBOPROP_ENGINE]
POWER_SCALAR =1.0
MAXIMUM_TORQUE=9317.000000

[PROPELLER]
THRUST_SCALAR =1.0
PROPELLER_TYPE=0
PROPELLER_DIAMETER=13.280000
PROPELLER_BLADES=2
PROPELLER_MOI=40.000000
BETA_MAX=82.600000
BETA_MIN=10.000000
MIN_GOV_RPM=24994.000000
PROP_TC=0.002000
GEAR_REDUCTION_RATIO=24.686400
FIXED_PITCH_BETA=0.000000
LOW_SPEED_THEORY_LIMIT=80.000000
PROP_SYNC_AVAILABLE=0
PROP_DEICE_AVAILABLE=0
PROP_FEATHERING_AVAILABLE=1
PROP_AUTO_FEATHERING_AVAILABLE=1
MIN_RPM_FOR_FEATHER=700.000000
BETA_FEATHER=79.300000
POWER_ABSORBED_CF=0.900000
DEFEATHERING_ACCUMULATORS_AVAILABLE=0
PROP_REVERSE_AVAILABLE=1
MINIMUM_ON_GROUND_BETA=-2.000000
MINIMUM_REVERSE_BETA=-17.000000

[GROUND_REACTION]
MAIN_GEAR_STATIC_COMPRESSION = 0.4
CENTER_GEAR_STATIC_COMPRESSION = 0.3
MAIN_GEAR_DAMPING_RATIO = 0.7
CENTER_GEAR_DAMPING_RATIO = 0.7
[GENERAL]
PERFORMANCE=LENGTH: 82 FT 8 IN\NWING SPAN: 95 FT 2 IN\NMGTOW: 42,000\/45,900LBS HIGH GROSS WEIGHT\NPOWER: 2 - PW 125 B TURBOPROPS\NAIRFILE MODIFIED BY SIMON EVANS 06\/01\/01\N\N
[FUEL]
LEFTMAIN=-1.000000,-14.500000,1.000000,685.000000,8.000000
RIGHTMAIN=-1.000000,14.500000,1.000000,685.000000,8.000000
FUEL_TYPE=2.000000
NUMBER_OF_TANK_SELECTORS=1
[AIRPLANE_GEOMETRY]
WING_AREA=754.000000
WING_SPAN=95.166667
WING_ROOT_CHORD=8.500000
WING_DIHEDRAL=2.493896
WING_INCIDENCE=2.559814
WING_TWIST=-0.966797
OSWALD_EFFICIENCY_FACTOR=0.525008
WING_WINGLETS_FLAG=0
WING_SWEEP=0.000000
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HTAIL_AREA=172.000000
HTAIL_SPAN=32.000000
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HTAIL_INCIDENCE=0.999756
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VTAIL_AREA=153.000000
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VTAIL_SWEEP=0.000000
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ELEVATOR_AREA=34.100000
AILERON_AREA=37.600000
RUDDER_AREA=29.000000
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ELEVATOR_DOWN_LIMIT=21.428622
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AILERON_DOWN_LIMIT=21.428622
RUDDER_LIMIT=19.514943
ELEVATOR_TRIM_LIMIT=21.915636
SPOILER_LIMIT=59.988681
SPOILERONS_AVAILABLE=0
AILERON_TO_SPOILERON_GAIN=0.000000
MIN_AILERONS_FOR_SPOILERONS=0.000000
MIN_FLAPS_FOR_SPOILERONS=0.000000
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TYPE=1
SPAN-OUTBOARD=0.500000
EXTENDING-TIME=10.000000
SYSTEM_TYPE=0
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FLAPS-POSITION.2=11.665421,0.000000
FLAPS-POSITION.3=17.498131,0.000000
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FLAPS-POSITION.6=34.996262,0.000000
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ENGINE.1=11.250000,11.833333,0.000000
FUEL_FLOW_SCALAR=1.000000
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INLET_AREA=1.100000
RATED_N2_RPM=29920.000000
STATIC_THRUST=280.000000
AFTERBURNER_AVAILABLE=0
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CRUISE_SPEED=302.773487
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AILERON=150.000000,250.000000
RUDDER=150.000000,250.000000
[VIEWS]
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[AUTOPILOT]
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FLIGHT_DIRECTOR_AVAILABLE=1
DEFAULT_VERTICAL_SPEED=1000.000000
AUTOTHROTTLE_AVAILABLE=1
AUTOTHROTTLE_ARMING_REQUIRED=-256
AUTOTHROTTLE_TAKEOFF_GA=-256
AUTOTHROTTLE_MAX_RPM=90.000000
PITCH_TAKEOFF_GA=8.000000
[DIRECTION_INDICATORS]
DIRECTION_INDICATOR.0=3,0

[RADIOS]
// RADIO TYPE=AVAILIABLE, STANDBY FREQUENCY, HAS GLIDE SLOPE
AUDIO.1=1
COM.1=1, 1
COM.2=1, 1
NAV.1=1, 1, 1
NAV.2=1, 1, 0
ADF.1=1
TRANSPONDER.1=1
MARKER.1=1

[EFFECTS]
WAKE=FX_WAKE
WATER=FX_SPRAY
DIRT=FX_TCHDRT
CONCRETE=FX_SPARKS
TOUCHDOWN=FX_TCHDWN_S, 1


[WEIGHT_AND_BALANCE]
MTW = 45900 // Added by LyonsMark
MLW = 43500 // Added by LyonsMark
Pax_Weight = 2 // Weight in pounds of passengers Added by LyonsMark
Cargo_Weight = 0 // Weight in pounds of cargo Added by LyonsMark
Fuel_Weight = 9152 // Weight in pounds of loaded fuel Added by LyonsMark
empty_weight = 27920 // Weight in pounds (total weight) Added by LyonsMark
ZFW_Weight = 27600 // Added by LyonsMark
Fuel_Capacity = 9152 // Added by LyonsMark
Cargo_Capacity = 0 // Added by LyonsMark
1Class_Pax = 0 // Added by LyonsMark
2Class_Pax = 0 // Added by LyonsMark
3Class_Pax = 0 // Added by LyonsMark
Aircraft_Type = // Added by LyonsMark
reference_datum_position=0.000000,0.000000,0.000000
empty_weight_CG_position=0.000000,0.000000,0.000000
max_number_of_stations=50
station_load.0=0.000000,0.000000,0.000000,0.000000
empty_weight_roll_MOI=138214.000000
empty_weight_pitch_MOI=221938.000000
empty_weight_yaw_MOI=288280.000000
empty_weight_coupled_MOI=7324.000000

[bertvankampen]

Hi dave,
can you please tell me where to find the airfile fokkerF50v4 Air Lingus
thanks




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[Simon Evans]

Hey, guess what..? I have never released an F50 air file for FS2002... and my air files never worked with Rob Bennis's models in FS2000 either, without a LOT of work.

And Rob Bennis has never released a F50 model for FS2002.

So what you have there are `warmed over` FS2000 models with incorrect air files...

So it doesn't surprise me in the slightest that there are problems.

Also Espen Oijordsbakken's F50 panel will not work successfully in FS2002. There are gauge issues which cannot be resolved at this time and the alternative air files I created for use with that panel SPECIFICALLY will not work with FS2002. Once Espen has completed his commmercial pilots training in the US we hope to get together to introduce a new version, but that's speculative at the moment.




Simon Evans

[DanielParrott]

Thanks Simon.....I guess that is the word from the top!!

Daniel, Wales, UK

[towergeek]

I haven't had any luck with the Fokkers' either...I thought it was just me! Glad it ain't!

Chuck