Would you buy a DF 707?? [Archive]

Strider3

09-30-2005, 10:19 PM

I've brought up the thought, before, and the DF guys wanted to do something not done by somebody else, which I can understand.

But just for SnG's, I'd like to know how many of you would buy a Boeing 707 if Dreamfleet (or someone else, other than CS) did one? Also, if you reply, do you own the CS 707?

I'd buy a DF or F1 707 and I own the CS 707.

I'd post a "poll" but I don't seem to have that option?

Vic

kc10

10-01-2005, 12:48 AM

I wouldn't buy one, but I guess if I was a bigger 707 fan, I would. I do have the CS707 but I deleted it because it's a framerate pig (I'm getting close to doing the same with the DF Baron, same reason.)
What I really want more than anything is the 737-200!

wesl

10-01-2005, 11:19 AM

The Baron is a framerate hog? You're kiddng right? What are you seeing?

Wes

FlyEastern

10-01-2005, 12:52 PM

I would be the FIRST in line to pick this gem up. Yes, I do own the CS707. However, DF makes a MUCH MORE REALISTIC rendition of the flight deck, & ESPECIALLY the flight dynamics. So...count me in!

FlyEastern

PhilipsCDRW

10-01-2005, 03:02 PM

I'd buy it, but I doubt I'd fly it as much as the 727. Yes, it would be a much newer (and therefore probably better) FS production, but 4-engined longhaul airliners are more complex to flight-plan for, and to start and manage. Personally I prefer a lighter FS experience - a smaller airliner would suit me more. My absolute ideal would be the Britten-Norman Trislander... but I digress!

Paul Golding

10-01-2005, 03:37 PM

The sad reality is that the return for such complex simulations isn't worth it. Whilst I'm quite sure most users of this forum would happily buy it, that just isn't enough people.....sorry.

On the hand..............think lateral, same era ;-) (let's just say I'm working on something)

execeng

10-01-2005, 03:45 PM

I would buy it, but my preference would be the DC8. I did not buy the CS707 because, fortunately for me, a friend of mine bought it, and after I flew a few flights I knew I wasn't interested.
louross.

redstar1

10-01-2005, 07:00 PM

Honestly, I would buy anything from Dreamfleet since the 727 and I actually have and I will keep doing it lol even if it is a plane I do not really like, like the Baron, but funny thing is.. I LOVE it now only reason being was I was used to the rotten quality of the default Baron but this DF version... wow wow !!

Big_Al

10-02-2005, 12:10 AM

Id love to have the DC8!! If that is what you're hinting at. (I hope)

The different variants and a cargo version would be awesome!!

Davest

10-02-2005, 02:37 AM

I wouldn't buy a 707 not a plane that interests me. But I'd love to have a DC8,DC10 or even a MD11 of the same quality as the 727.

David

skeating

10-02-2005, 06:50 AM

I would probably buy it twice! at least.
I do own the CS 707 but don't fly it much because I can't believe how they managed to screw it up in so many fundamental areas, it really grates on my nerves looking at the mess they made of it.
Steve

wad54

10-02-2005, 09:41 PM

I also prefer this era of aviation and love the DF 727. However, my preference is for the DC8 which is not well covered by current payware suppliers. I would sign up for a DF DC-8 immediately.
Warren

Sandro Becker

10-03-2005, 06:11 AM

DC8 is ugly. B707 is beuty. I dont know why DF dont remake 737-400. It was a gold time in FS. A unique to fly.
Another company is doing the 737 300-400-500, but i dont like their products.
Paul could do a 707 panel for us to merge with CS707. I cant fly with that.

Good luck guys and hope u do our 737-400 again.

Sandro Becker

PhilipsCDRW

10-03-2005, 06:19 AM

Like I said, I'd prefer smaller aircraft. But if DF did build a big airliner, I'd love to see something rarer like the Tristar. The RAF still use them as tankers, maybe someone could gain access...?

Remember that when DF make a plane, they need to gain access to a real one and crawl all over it with cameras for a day or two.

Big_Al

10-04-2005, 02:10 AM

I think the DC-8s look beautiful. And the fact that many are flying around today as cargo haulers but the 707s aren't shows they are still very useful

I re-read the statement and I think they are working on lear 25/35s

That will work too! I would love to fly those older biz jets around in a cargo configuration as they do today

Paul Golding

10-04-2005, 04:15 AM

I believe F1 are doing the older Lear already.

skeating

10-04-2005, 05:14 AM

I think the thing that annoys me most about the CS 707 is that like most people I realised that this would probably be the only chance of getting a quality payware 707 and then they screwed it up so badly.

Now that a payware version has been released we will never get another chance. It is a shame because what ever you may think about the Comet and the DC8, the 707 was probably the most important airliner to be built.

But if a DC8 came along that was of Dreamfleet quality I'm sure I would buy it, or a Tristar or an Airbus A300B4 or whatever it is I'll buy it.

Steve

ggi

10-04-2005, 06:23 AM

Like many others I'd like to see a DF DC-8, I'd buy it - OK so it's not the looker the 707 is, but looks ain't everything. A nice CPair livery would help it along!! I too have the CS 707 (rarely used) I waited about 2 years for it to come out of beta and was amazed by the screenshots and disapointed by the experience.

execeng

10-04-2005, 07:40 PM

Well, a little off-subject, but concerning the "beauty"(??) of the 707, my trivia question is: Why was a lead pipe bolted (or welded) to the horizontal stabilizer? I'll drink a beer in the name of the winner. Contest closes soon.
louross.

kc10

10-04-2005, 08:11 PM

>Well, a little off-subject, but concerning the "beauty"(??) of the 707.... <<

It's not so much the beauty, as the absence of ugliness.

KFC

10-05-2005, 08:59 AM

A DC-8 would be great, a 707 (done like the DF 727) would be great. A 737-200, would be even better! ;) Is there any chance the 737-200 could be reconsidered by DF? :)

regards
Macs.

P.S.: I have to say, though, the DC-8 is sorely missed. I've seen some EFIS upgraded ones (like UPS) and beleive it could be a GOOD seller :).

Big_Al

10-05-2005, 03:07 PM

Agreed, a 732 would be awesome. and a -300 series. I would fly a janet repaint all over the US with the -200! And the cargo conversions for -200 and -300 series, and business conversions too. that would be awesome

wesl

10-05-2005, 08:07 PM

Maybe Paul would be doing something British. How many 4 engine British jets in that era?

Wes;)

Lou_Betti

10-06-2005, 12:51 AM

I know what Paul is doing next. I think he's crazy to do it, but in this FS age of those who cannot fly without automation to do it for them, my faith and blessings go to him and his team!

No, it's not a British 4-engine jet either, not British at all, but I say no more! ;-)

Regards,
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skeating

10-06-2005, 08:31 AM

> Well, a little off-subject, but concerning the "beauty"(??)
>of the 707, my trivia question is: Why was a lead pipe bolted
>(or welded) to the horizontal stabilizer? I'll drink a beer
>in the name of the winner. Contest closes soon.
>louross.

Could you be a bit more specific about the location of this "Lead Pipe" or post a picture of it?

In over twenty years associated with the 707 I don't recall a "lead pipe" on the horizantal stab but I'll try to answer if I can

Best regards
Steve

PS. Paul it would be that wonder of wonders, the CL-44 complete with swingtail? would it?

execeng

10-06-2005, 12:00 PM

Hello Steve,
MY mistake- the lead pipe is at the lower part of the VERTICAL stabilizer. (let's see, starbord is left, port is, no, port is left and, no,,,). If you can answer the question, I will drink a beer for you. If you come to Mexico, I'll buy you one. If you flew them, or DC8's, then you probably know why.
louross.

Sandro Becker

10-06-2005, 12:08 PM

EDFM

10-06-2005, 12:40 PM

hmmm...Lou said it´s not british? I doubt it´s russian, is it? ;)

Then no automation....

Maybe a little hint : which age it could be categorized? Late 60´s, 70´s? Heavy iron or just a small one?

skeating

10-06-2005, 01:22 PM

Hi execeng

The "Lead pipe" as you call it was (is) the pitot inlet for the "Q-pot".

I don't have my 707 manuals with me at present and it has been awhile since I flew them but IIRC it was connected to the rudder hydraulic limiter.

The rudder was powered by the utility hydraulic system at 3000psi the Q-pot reduced the rudder hydraulic pressure above a certain airspeed ( I wont quote speeds and pressures because I'm unsure of them at the moment. but when I get home next week I'll be able to look them up for you.) to prevent overstressing the tail structure.

The Q-pot was also part of thee rudder feel system.

The reason it looks the way it does is due to the electric heater jacket fitted around the tube to prevent icing.

I'll collect the beer next time I'm in Mexico.

If you'd like the full facts and figures just say so and I'll let you have them next week.

Best regards
Steve

skeating

10-06-2005, 04:00 PM

>Hi execeng
>
>The "Lead pipe" as you call it was (is) the pitot inlet for
>the "Q-pot".
>
>I don't have my 707 manuals with me at present and it has been
>awhile since I flew them but IIRC it was connected to the
>rudder hydraulic limiter.

On the 707 it was called the Rudder Boost System and one set of numbers I do remember is that with two engines out on the same side and the rudder boost off the VMCA (minimum control speed in the air)was 183Kts.

Funny how a couple of beers gets the memory working!

Best regards
Steve

KFC

10-06-2005, 06:59 PM

>I know what Paul is doing next. I think he's crazy to do it,
>but in this FS age of those who cannot fly without automation
>to do it for them, my faith and blessings go to him and his
>team!
>
>No, it's not a British 4-engine jet either, not British at
>all, but I say no more! ;-)
>
>Regards,
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>instead of programming an FMC to do it for you?[/font
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Oh boy, here we go....
Ok, let's see...It's not a:
- 707
- DC-8
- 737-200
- Learjet
- British airliner of any kind

It is :
-Not automated or fully automated... maybe
-Or if I understand it wrong, fully automated...

It could be:
-A jet with any normal configuration of engines (2,3,4) that is not described above.
-A classic propliner... A-HA! Could it be a DC-4, or DC-6, or DC-7 ?, I mean, they were airliners back in their time... :)

regards,
Macs

execeng

10-06-2005, 09:18 PM

Well, Steve, that's really interesting to me, and I do appreciate your response.
I didn't start flying commercialy until the mid 60's, and then only for 10 years. But my pa flew DC8's and one day he told me that the "lead pipe" was there because at xxx(don't remember) airspeed, the airplane had a bad vibration and the engineers couldn't correct the problem. But, they found out that with the "lead pipe" in the vertical stab, the vibration was eliminated.
Let's have a few more, and let me know what you think.
Regards,
lou.

skeating

10-07-2005, 08:39 AM

Okay Execeng
Why where the eyebrow windows on the DC8 called "Boeing windows"?

PhilipsCDRW

10-07-2005, 11:04 AM

I hope it's something Russian - I 'borrowed' a Teach Yourself - Russian book from a friend of mine, and I have just about reached the point where I can pronounce Cyrillic writing. Expressly for Russian games and sims... is that really sad or what?

Or more likely it's a Caravelle. They have a large following.

execeng

10-07-2005, 12:13 PM

Well, Steve, I really can't ventur a guess on that one. ???
louross.

starstream727

10-07-2005, 11:22 PM

I would buy it as soon as it was released. DF707 would make be the greatest. I own CS707 and not too happy with it. YES DF707...PLEASE
jeff

skeating

10-09-2005, 01:37 AM

louross,

They where called "Boeing windows" because the DC8 crew could watch the 707 above, overtaking them.

Higher,heavier,faster.

Steve

execeng

10-10-2005, 07:05 AM

Hello Steve,
That's a good one!
lou.:D

Lvpunk

10-10-2005, 09:54 PM

I'd be the second guy in line then, since someone else already called first. Anyway, from what I understand, Paul has a nearly complete 707, but DF decided to scrap the 707.

Jeff

Pegase

11-01-2005, 05:26 PM

I would buy it immediately :)

I bought recently the CS 707 and like it a lot for it's flight dynamic and feeling to have an heavy in hands.
I have now some 100 hours flying on the DF 727 and can compare both realisations:

All about start up procedure, hydraulic, pneumatic, elzctric systems are way more acurate and complete on the DF 727.

The CS 707 has more impressive engine sounds but lacks of all flaps annoucments, gears sounds, spoilers sounds the DF 727 has.

The documentation ans support of the DF 727 is more than complete, explains what to do and WHY while the CS 707 is provided with a quite tiny doc and suport.

My others hopes from Dreamflight:
A Caravelle
A Lockheed Super constellation
A A 340

fruitfly

11-14-2005, 10:42 AM

>
>On the hand..............think lateral, same era ;-) (let's
>just say I'm working on something)

DC9 or super 80?!

KFC

11-15-2005, 01:16 AM

Paul,
I was wonderng if you are going to try to model the peculiar "windshield wiper" system for the DC8? :) I hear it is quite amusing... :)

regards,
Macs :)

Paul Golding

11-15-2005, 03:55 AM

I've not been told anything about it yet, care to enlighten me?

Paul Golding

11-15-2005, 03:56 AM

Already been done to death I'd say!

I know of at least 2 more MD-80 releases due soon.

KFC

11-15-2005, 07:31 AM

Paul,
I'm not quite sure what the technical term wouold be, but, from what I've read, the DC-8 uses bleed air from the engines to clean/clear the windshield. I read an article from an ex-pilot (I'm looking for the link), that pilots in transition to these airplanes where surprised when they first found out about this feature, as it was supposed to be very loud :). Not sure if all models featured this, but if you model it, I can safely bet it would be the for the first time in FS! ;)
regards,
Macs :)

Paul Golding

11-15-2005, 08:31 AM

Well, a quick look at airliners shows you're right, not one single wiper to be found!

KFC

11-16-2005, 12:01 AM

Paul,
I know I'm getting way ahead, but if the DC-8 is on the drawing board, could you do the short and long versions? I am not too much into the longer or stretched models like the -63 and such, I think they look kind of weird :). Sorry, had to vent it ... Ja! ;)
regards,
Macs :)

PhilipsCDRW

11-16-2005, 11:15 AM

Lateral from the DC-8? Are you working on a Caravelle too Paul? :o :D

Strider3

01-20-2006, 04:02 PM

Well, well...

I hadn't revisited this thread in quite a while and was surprised to see all the replies!

Love the "Boeing Windows"...that's great!

I'm still wishing for a DF 707 but I know it won't happen (CS is promising another patch...again...at their site :P ). They still haven't reinstated a 707 forum...which speaks volumes to me ;-) .

So...anyone figure out what Lou is/was working on??

I'd buy a DC8 from DF (gee...big surprise...I'd buy just about anything from DF!) but someone mentioned propliners...now THAT is an interesting thought! I doubt a Connie as it's well done with the FSdezigns model, if in dynamics and not so much in panel graphics. The DC-6 has one fair freeware version...but I'd like to see a real detailed DF one (hint,hint). A Tri-star would also be a good one. HMMmmmm.

Hey, Lou...are you still working on this project you alluded to ("Think laterally...") or has it fallen by the wayside in favor of something else?

Vic