Auto Spoiler - Usually the first notch on the brake handle sets the

[doncarlos]

spoilers to auto deploy on landing. Mine actually opens the spoilers a tiny bit during flight. Did I miss something ...I can't find confirmation that notch one is correct in the manual.

[Lou_Betti]

Is there an "auto" detent for the spoiler lever Don? I don't see one.

If I recall correctly (remember, I did not design the 727, Paul and team did) there is no auto-deploy on the 727, at least the one we modeled, same as with the 707.

You land, and you have to deploy them manually.

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[doncarlos]

I didn't see one either but the manual refers to auto spoiler
Section 11-2-4 and that raised the question as I too had been deploying manually but thought I had missed the procedure for auto arm which is often notch one.

[B52drivr]

Hello All,

Might be a retrofit on some of the very later models, but no three holer I've flown ever had auto spoilers. It was all done by the magic of the hand guys.

Clay

[lprandtl]

Just read this section again but I don't find anything regarding auto spoiler.

Well, the 727 is not equipped with an auto spoiler either.

You have to "automatically" deploy them manually ;-)

[doncarlos]

Thanks

[indycaptain]

Some of the later 727-225A models had autospoilers. Eastern had a few.

Mike Nelson
IAD CRJ CA
INDEPENDENCE AIR

[Lou_Betti]

While in response, this is not intended towards you, Mike.

Our 727 is an earlier version, despite the legally required TCAS, and optional EFIS.

We all know later model 727s (a minority of them) had a ton of extra automated stuff added, but the idea behind our 727 is to model what the majority were like, with the idea that flying them required a great deal of manual input by the pilot.

We're trying to get some FS folks to learn to fly aircraft, as opposed to pushing buttons on something to do it for them. Sadly, in FS, we have far to many "captains" who can only fly aircraft via automation. We're trying to introduce another realistic aspect to FS via aircraft like the 727. In theory it is designed after the Flight 1 "Iron Knuckles" series, as was the F1 DC-9.

This is a realistic marketing and design philosphy, and one that we have no plans to change, especially with our forthcoming 737-200, and that one WILL be named "Iron Knuckles"

Yup, that one does have auto speedbrakes, but not much auto anything else!

I'm just stating this so that no one expects that we will be turning the 727 into some automated airliner that requires little flying skills to operate. ;-)

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[doncarlos]

Right on Lou...my original question was did I miss something in the manual ...should deploy myself which I was doing..I am beginning to feel like a pilot again..a pilot who understands that give me two days and a half million dollars and I could not get the real thing up and running and land it ..no way...but simming is fun...thanks to all.

[Lou_Betti]

Poor Ingo, he's writing a 727 manual at the same time as the ATR manual, while flying gawd only knows what on the side! :-lol

So, our 727 ended up with a virtual cabin and auto spoilers in the manual, and if that is the worst Ingo did, he gets a gold star from me.

I HATE doing manuals! ;-)

Hey Carl, you live pretty close to me, no? (the Oranges, right?) We're having a nice Christmas party at a great place in Englewood Cliffs, tomorrow between 4-7 PM. Care to join me for a Martini? It's not too far from the GWB. :-)

Of course, my Dakota is just over at CDW too. ;-)

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[lprandtl]

Poor Ingo, he's writing a 727 manual at the same time as the ATR manual, while flying gawd only knows what on the side!

;-)
Only boring mechanical engineering stuff ... :-lol

So, our 727 ended up with a virtual cabin and auto spoilers in the manual, and if that is the worst Ingo did, he gets a gold star from me.

There are a few more issues. Nothing serious as far as I can see ...

I HATE doing manuals!

Hmmmm, I must admit I like it ... ;-)

[Paul Golding]

>
>Hmmmm, I must admit I like it ... ;-)

Just as well you do like doing then Ingo, otherwise we'd be looking the 727 release next Christmas!!!!!

I wonder if I thanked you enough yet?

[petermcleland]

I would certainly like to thank Ingo profusely, for his excellent manuals and also for the really superb technical help that he is providing so regularly here in these forums.

As I browse through all this stuff, I see his smiling face peering up at us from his banner and I avidly read what he says...I know then that "It is so", because Ingo said it :-)