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12-20-2004, 03:46 AM
This topic serves to list items we will be addressing in a forthcoming Service Pack. Please note the primary purpose of the Service Pack is to address minor issues, not add or change product features. The development team will progressively add items to this list, so don't be alarmed if a confirmed issue you reported is not on the list; we'll let you know when we place a hold point on the list.
Please feel free to make suggestions on things you would like to see included in the 727 and/or improvements you think we could make to existing features but we can't promise those suggestions will be incorporated in any Service Pack.
What we do promise is that your suggestions will be read by the development team and considered for future versions of the 727, if not the current version.
Thanks for all your feedback on the product so far.
727 Development Team.
Item 1: Efis panel cfg files amended to correctly reference the low oil pressure warning lights gauge;
Item 2: Feature added to enable user to choose whether or not existing panel settings are saved on exit;
Item 3: TBA
05-09-2005, 12:30 AM
Can we get this update list..well er..updated? :)
Da** it...and I just thought this topic has been updated by the team x(
05-09-2005, 02:42 PM
05-09-2005, 10:11 PM
Got me too :-(
05-10-2005, 11:02 AM
Mr. Golding mentioned that the VC yokes will be removable.
06-04-2005, 01:53 PM
As quite a few users have commented on this, and because when the taxi light is used on its own, it really is a bit on the dim side, all the new aircraft models will feature an improved taxi light.
I'll add more info on the changes and additions to the package over the next week or so.
Below are pic's of:
1)no taxi light
2)the current taxi light
3)the new taxi light
06-14-2005, 05:19 AM
Nearly the end of the road!!!
While we wait for the gauges, Paul S has been creating the final mdl
files so they all include the added and amended parts that have been worked on. The final line up will be:
727-100 (RE) (WL) Super 27 passenger (-217 pod engines and winglets)
727-100 (RE) (WL) Super 27 freighter (-217 pod engines and winglets) - OK I can't find one of these in use so it could be fantasy!
727-200 (RE) (WL) Super 27 passenger (-217 pod engines and winglets)
727-200 (RE) (WL) Super 27 freighter (-217 pod engines and winglets)
As an added bonus because he was on a bit of roll, Paul S has also
added the 727-200 (HK) (WL), this using the FedEx type hushkit as opposed the normal full hushkit plus winglets..............good for the likes of the latest PanAm 727s and other operators that have gone for the bit of extra mileage that winglets give and without spending heaps on a couple of new engines.
Just to complicate things, each mdl is created as a no vc (with wing views) mdl, analogue vc and efis vc. I didn't add it up, but that's a lot of possible combinations t give the setup you want!!!
More to come very soon.
06-14-2005, 05:29 AM
727 with winglets! Can't wait! :D
Paul, what about that TCAS online problem? Is it solved?
P. S. While the update is still under work, can you start painting this livery now for the winglets version? http://www.prestige-aircraft.com/727jet.htm
06-14-2005, 06:42 AM
Whoooohoooo winglets....drooooooool :)
06-14-2005, 11:01 AM
It´s getting better and better....I just hope you guys release the CD version as soon as possible after the update. Please do not let me wait another half year...pleeeeeeeaaaaase :-) !!!!
06-14-2005, 08:47 PM
I knew you'd do winglets.
You guys rule.
06-15-2005, 05:35 AM
>I knew you'd do winglets.
And -217 (MD-80) engines with bucket reversers :-)
06-15-2005, 07:41 AM
Will it just be updated / new MDL's or flight dynamics too.
Looking forward to flying the -217's
06-15-2005, 07:57 AM
yeah that would be to cool to be true. As far as i know the winglet version have a shorter takeoff roll and about 7% less fuel burn.
By the way: What stands the (RE) for? WL and HK aber obvious but RE?
Really looking forward to the SP and keep up the great work!
06-15-2005, 08:52 AM
RE is re-engined, I imagine, and there will be new flight models.
06-15-2005, 09:33 AM
Flight dynamics have been improved further across the whole range, particularly with regard to the pitch down effect that should be experienced when extending flaps and the feeling of some momentum when relaxing control input on wing roll during turns.
specific flight models are also added for the Super 27's including all new performance tables.
06-15-2005, 10:09 AM
phew. That's impressive. Given the few bugs present in the release version and what's in the SP1 you should call that a "feature pack" or something like that rather then a service update :-)
06-15-2005, 10:17 AM
Indeed! When i thought this couldn`t get any better Paul gives us this nice surprise! Wooohoo! :9 BTW will the soundset be updated to fit the RE versions?
06-15-2005, 10:20 AM
Personally, I think it should be a "paid for" update as it's basically the whole project released in addition to the original with the exception of sharing the panels!
Maybe this free update will encourage more users to "spread the word" on what they think of this product?
06-15-2005, 10:24 AM
I don't think so. From the cockpit the difference can't be noticed (so I'm told by someone who flies one of these Super27)
06-15-2005, 01:34 PM
Sure! You guys ROCK!!!!!
06-15-2005, 02:28 PM
This sounds great Paul. About the new engines, will we see new performance charts/tables for them?
06-15-2005, 03:08 PM
Paul, what about the TCAS issue?
06-15-2005, 08:07 PM
Sure, I mentioned it already I think.
06-15-2005, 08:09 PM
The lack of targets when on-line?
I really don't know where this will end up, I've not been told by Nick that anything's changed yet........but then I've not got final gauges either.
Peter KCLE EDDN
06-15-2005, 10:50 PM
I'll definatly continue to spread the word. This 727 is simply the best flightsim product out there - and I own them almost all. This bird already flies like a dream. It has IMO the best FDE I've ever flown in MSFS -sorry never had the chance to fly a 727 for real ;-) only little stuff.
The visuals are stunning and panel is simply awsome (incl. VC, even though I'm a big IMC 2-D panel kinda guy, even I fly this beauty from the VC every now and then ;-)
Keep up the great work Paul and team, this is THE BEST add-on for flightsim, I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one thinking that and therefore I will do my best to spread the word as soon as the update comes out!!!
BTW, did I tell you that I really like the 727 ;-)
Peter KCLE EDDN
06-15-2005, 10:51 PM
oops, got a little to happy about the update (doublepost, sorry)
06-15-2005, 11:27 PM
Looking forward to it Paul. Like several others have stated, the 727 is the only "classic" aircraft I fly now and I probably have every one that has ever been produced. Great job!
06-16-2005, 05:40 AM
Thanks for the kind words guys, very much appreciated.
06-16-2005, 08:24 PM
>Nearly the end of the road!!!
>While we wait for the gauges, Paul S has been creating the
>files so they all include the added and amended parts that
>have been worked on. The final line up will be:
>727-100 (RE) (WL) Super 27 passenger (-217 pod engines and
>727-100 (RE) (WL) Super 27 freighter (-217 pod engines and
>winglets) - OK I can't find one of these in use so it could be
>727-200 (RE) (WL) Super 27 passenger (-217 pod engines and
>727-200 (RE) (WL) Super 27 freighter (-217 pod engines and
>As an added bonus because he was on a bit of roll, Paul S has
>added the 727-200 (HK) (WL), this using the FedEx type hushkit
>as opposed the normal full hushkit plus
>winglets..............good for the likes of the latest PanAm
>727s and other operators that have gone for the bit of extra
>mileage that winglets give and without spending heaps on a
>couple of new engines.
>Just to complicate things, each mdl is created as a no vc
>(with wing views) mdl, analogue vc and efis vc. I didn't add
>it up, but that's a lot of possible combinations t give the
>setup you want!!!
>More to come very soon.
It will be possible to chose winglet or not in the Super 200?
06-16-2005, 09:12 PM
Hmmm, I´m not sure about this, but the -217 has been able to goes at the #2 engine?
I thinked it was with 2 JT8D-217 in pod 1 and 3 and the 17R with Hush stage 3 in the #2.
06-16-2005, 09:22 PM
I'm really waiting for a working TCAS for on-line flights. I think I'm not the only who dont like to fly with dumb traffic and controller.
06-17-2005, 09:26 AM
Thanks for the reply on the TCAS issue. :)
But that the fact that it doesn't show any targets is not the only problem. Remember that when flying online it makes the FS to crash too?
06-17-2005, 09:49 AM
No, as I've said in other posts, the list above is the final list, we simply can't just keep churning out more and more variations without charging for them.
06-17-2005, 09:53 AM
I've already got a couple of VIP 100 Super27s done. Are you sure this is a Super 27, from the pic's it looks like it has normal engines. Also, you'll need to find me some closeup of the tail and daytime pic's as well before I'll do it. If you do, I'll paint it :-)
06-17-2005, 03:01 PM
Speaking of charging....
I'm still waiting on the boxed version. Any idea? Not sure why you guys have held off for the final changes. Seems like the initial release with a patch file would have given you a little better cash flow.
The tcas works with FS AI traffic just as I beleive it was designed to. In my opinion many of us are too concerened about online tcas. Is the tcas function really such a major part of the experience for you guys ?! For what it's worth, I wish this package had just a plain v-speed gauge.
06-18-2005, 06:16 AM
How about if you get the tables up on the screen and set the bugs yourself for the speed calls and then during the take-off roll get calls for "80 knots", "fuel flows normal","V1, rotate" and "V2"?
06-19-2005, 06:29 AM
The problem with the TCAS is not only the fact that it doesn't show the targets. The main problem is that when flying online, and when you set the transponder to TA/RA, FS crashes.
06-19-2005, 05:50 PM
>How about if you get the tables up on the screen and set the
>bugs yourself for the speed calls and then during the take-off
>roll get calls for "80 knots", "fuel flows normal","V1,
>rotate" and "V2"?
I think KC-10 was asking for a non-TCAS VSI. The EFIS panel has a plain VSI, and I think it can be swapped into the non-EFIS panel.cfgs - I haven't tried it, and I did ask but someone said it could cause a problem, (perhaps if the TCAS controls on the radio stack are looking for a TCAS gauge which is no longer part of the panel?) But I'm sure I heard of someone doing this successfully. Back up the CFGs first...!
Perhaps the 727 would work online if you don't engage TA/RA mode, and don't use any TCAS function, and swap in the non-TCAS VSI from the EFIS panel. Perhaps, given that online-ATC users probably know their way about a panel.cfg already, DF could produce a non-TCAS version of the transponder gauge, so the online users could put it into their panels and have no TCAS but also no crashes? It wouldn't need new graphics even, it could just have the TCAS sections of code removed, or the TCAS selections locked out. I don't know if that's a feasable idea.
Sandro, from what I read all the super-27s have winglets.
Every varient that DF include will multiply the number of .cfgs required. Right now, we've got the -100 and -200, passenger and freighter, original or (RE,WL), plus the -200 (HK,WL). That's 2*2*2+1 = 9 basic varients. On top of that, each one has the options of no-VC or VC, and EFIS or Analogue, which increases the number of varients by a factor of 4, giving 36 varients in total - if DF were to add non-(WL) super-27s, that would make it (2*2*3+1)*4 = 52 varients, adding 16 more models to produce - the -100 and -200 pax and freight no-VC and VC analogue and EFIS versions of the (RE)(no-WL) aircraft... a lot of work for a small difference, I think?
Omykron, as I understand, the number 2 engine is the original engine but with a hushkit, and with the reverser removed. The numbers 1 and 3 engines are MD-80-standard -217s with bucket reversers.
Whew, a what a lovely badly-formatted block of text - just what the thread needed!
06-19-2005, 09:14 PM
>I think KC-10 was asking for a non-TCAS VSI.
I don't think so.
>Sandro, from what I read all the super-27s have winglets.
No. Winglets are an option. Super 27 equals replacing engine pod 1 and 3 with JT8D-217 or -219 engines...........that's the definition.
>Every varient that DF include will multiply the number of
>.cfgs required. Right now, we've got the -100 and -200,
>passenger and freighter, original or (RE,WL), plus the -200
>(HK,WL). That's 2*2*2+1 = 9 basic varients. On top of that,
>each one has the options of no-VC or VC, and EFIS or Analogue,
>which increases the number of varients by a factor of 4,
>giving 36 varients in total - if DF were to add non-(WL)
>super-27s, that would make it (2*2*3+1)*4 = 52 varients,
>adding 16 more models to produce - the -100 and -200 pax and
>freight no-VC and VC analogue and EFIS versions of the
>(RE)(no-WL) aircraft... a lot of work for a small difference,
I'm not even going there!!
>Omykron, as I understand, the number 2 engine is the original
>engine but with a hushkit, and with the reverser removed. The
>numbers 1 and 3 engines are MD-80-standard -217s with bucket
>Whew, a what a lovely badly-formatted block of text - just
>what the thread needed!
LOL!!! I guess if it gets said often enough, the questions will stop.
06-19-2005, 10:15 PM
Sorry, I meant that all the DF Super-27s that are coming in the servicepack/add-on have winglets (plus the -200(HK)(WL) Pan Am aircraft). Winglets aren't optional for the Greatest Airliners 727 v1.1 Super-27s.
>I think KC-10 was asking for a non-TCAS VSI.
>I don't think so.
Yes that's what I meant. Actually, I wasn't really asking for one, I just meant that the tcas function is something I don't need and I would've even prefered a standard vsi. And I was trying to point out that the tcas works with AI traffic, which if I'm not mistaken, it was designed to do. Getting it to work [i]online[i] would not be "fixing" it, because it aint broken (except for the CTD but that's different than the actual funtionality issue.)
Thanks PhilipsCDRW I didn't know about the vsi on the ehsi panel.
Also, for now you can avoid the FS/Squawkbox crash by starting SB after adding electrical power.
06-20-2005, 05:22 AM
>Sorry, I meant that all the DF Super-27s that are
>coming in the servicepack/add-on have winglets (plus the
>-200(HK)(WL) Pan Am aircraft). Winglets aren't optional for
>the Greatest Airliners 727 v1.1 Super-27s.
That is correct :-)
06-20-2005, 05:26 AM
>Also, for now you can avoid the FS/Squawkbox crash by starting
>SB after adding electrical power, (i.e. tcas/vsi ON).
Am I correct in assuming there's no issue with using the transponder either, providing SB is started after adding the elec's?
Am I also correct in assuming that TCAS fails to display online targets under any circumstances?
06-20-2005, 12:08 PM
>I correct in assuming there's no issue with using the transponder >either, providing SB is started after adding the elec's?
>Am I also correct in assuming that TCAS fails to display online targets >under any circumstances?
About your first question: to me, it happens with the SB being engaged before or after. And don't forget about IVAP! It also happens with it!
About your second question: yes. Very true. Targets and RAs are not shown.
06-20-2005, 01:57 PM
Can we, the end-users, edit the gauges to remove the TCAS sections, and make individual online-compatible versions of the 727?
I don't fly online, I don't know how Squawkbox works. I assume the TCAS gauges (the EVSI and the transponder gauge) are making the 727 crash online. So, we could make a new 727 varient - -200 Pax Analogue VC Online, or something, which wouldn't be managed by the config manager. Edit the panel.cfg to use the non-TCAS VSI from the EFIS panel. Remove the transponder gauge entirely, and if necessary add a default one, or some suitable substitute. I would assume that would fix the problem.
06-20-2005, 02:48 PM
Hmm, it looks like the panel background must be edited too. Playing with the transponder TCAS knobs offline didn't cause any problems.
All that I did was to go to the 727 folder, find out which panel it's aliased to, and edit that panel.cfg (backing it up first, of course) changing it from
This must be done in about eight places, captain and FO main and landing, and VC - just look through every block of gauges or search for evsi.
06-22-2005, 09:17 AM
07-09-2005, 04:11 AM
What about being able to turn off/on the VC dome light via a switch instead of having it linked to the strobe lights??
10-14-2005, 09:38 AM
I notice from various posting that an update is due out but as some of the posting are quite old now. According to my copy of 727 the version is 7.0.10 - is this the latest?
I have had to manually modify files to get the strobe lights visible in the wing view and wind noise when the gear is lowered (after ding this the spoiler sound has gone!). Surely, these issues should be addressed by the update??
10-18-2005, 08:56 AM
You have the current version Geoff.
The next one does allow lights to be see in wing view, gear wind sound to be heard, avionics to not die on cold dark start and many other changes and additions that effectively make it version 2 and will require a new download/install. There's just too many changes to do it as an update file.
Aside from a couple of issues, the file is ready for F1 to do their bit. Sadly, one of the issues is a somewhat annoying bug in the revised fuel system logic that we do have to resolve.
10-24-2005, 02:34 PM
Would you advise new purchasers (cough, cough) to wait for "Version 2.0" or go ahead and get the current version?
10-27-2005, 10:05 AM
Functionality wise, there's not a lot changing, so unless you're on dail-up and dislike large downloads, there's point in waiting ;-)
10-27-2005, 10:06 PM
I have the same version as you
Gee mine work...all I do is turn the swithch to on...perhaps you are not used to the quality of a DF product....do you mean that you should see the strobes from the FO chair...well as I remember a 727 you should not unless in a full fog or cloud cover ...from the back wing view ...no can't see them there either...unless you are doing a final in fog and then they light up the cloud...just like mine do....are you saying that even if you go to "spot" view with the switch in the on position you do not see the strobe
no expert but mine work and are one of the great features of this 727
10-29-2005, 11:53 AM
Guess that I'll start on this addiction...
11-13-2005, 03:11 PM
>Aside from a couple of issues, the file is ready for F1 to do
>their bit. Sadly, one of the issues is a somewhat annoying
>bug in the revised fuel system logic that we do have to
i'm propably get killed for asking but as almost another month passed now: How is the SP coming along? It's so hard to wait for the new modells :-(
Thanks and best regards
11-14-2005, 05:08 AM
I expect the installer for version to complete testing this week.
11-25-2005, 06:38 PM
>I expect the installer for version to complete testing this
Or did you mean next week Paul?
11-25-2005, 06:42 PM
No, I meant this week.
Looks a bit chilly down your way Dave!
11-29-2005, 01:34 PM
>Looks a bit chilly down your way Dave!
Bitch ..................... :D :P
11-29-2005, 07:29 PM
My kids are jealous, in Essex we always miss the snow :-)
12-03-2005, 11:57 AM
Is it due next week now then Paul?
Maybe for Xmas ;) hehe
12-03-2005, 02:04 PM
12-12-2005, 09:55 AM
Hi just really wanted to know if the update will be here anytime soon, that would be nice to see. i read all the thread and it looks like it is held up with Flight1 at their end. anyone got any further info?
12-12-2005, 10:22 AM
I expect to upload the final files within 48 hours for F1 to create the new installer.
12-12-2005, 05:11 PM
>I expect to upload the final files within 48 hours for F1 to
>create the new installer.
any chance of tcas working online?
12-12-2005, 06:59 PM
12-16-2005, 06:34 AM
Great news then! I haven't used FS for months (due to having no time) but when I get back to my PC in the new year, I'll look forward to flying the new version!
12-19-2005, 05:00 AM
>>I expect to upload the final files within 48 hours for F1
>>create the new installer.
>any chance of tcas working online?
No need to worry even if not.
It takes 5 minutes to add it.
12-19-2005, 12:08 PM
>>>I expect to upload the final files within 48 hours for F1
>>>create the new installer.
>>any chance of tcas working online?
>No need to worry even if not.
>It takes 5 minutes to add it.
it works perfect with VATSIM and IVAO (SB3/IVAP)
12-22-2005, 12:37 PM
>I expect to upload the final files within 48 hours for F1 to
>create the new installer.
Just a short questions: Has that happened? Would love to fly the new 727 during the holidays
12-23-2005, 12:16 PM
>>I expect to upload the final files within 48 hours for F1 to
>>create the new installer.
>Just a short questions: Has that happened? Would love to fly
>the new 727 during the holidays
Did you know that answer to the question
'How long is a piece of string'? is
'Twice as long as half it's length'.
Merry Xmas all.
12-30-2005, 05:32 PM
Looks like the update is available at the DF 727 product page on flight1.com as of 12/30/05, 16:30 EST. Downloading it now.
12-30-2005, 05:57 PM
Great. Thanks for the heads up
12-30-2005, 06:23 PM
I've been secretly flying it for almost 5 hours now and it's unbelievable. I've done about 3 flights around Anchorage in the CAT Super27 from both the 2d and the VC. Words can't describe how great this upgrade is.
Excellent job Dreamfleet!
PS: I just took a look at Flight1 website and the link for the upgrade is now available to the public.
12-30-2005, 06:39 PM
[font size=1][font color=blue]Can you pilot a plane, instead of programming an FMC to do it for you?[/font color= blue][/font size=1]
12-31-2005, 04:47 AM
>Looks like the update is available at the DF 727 product page
>on flight1.com as of 12/30/05, 16:30 EST. Downloading it
Am I blind ?!?!
Where's the update download ?
I searched all pages at DF and F1 producs <g>
12-31-2005, 06:16 AM
09-03-2011, 09:26 AM
Hey Paul, i have a problem with my Boeing 727. I have installed it into Flight Simulator 2004 as administrator as well as normal and when i run now Flight Simulator and want to use the Boeing 727 the program just closes. This happens when i run Flight Simulator normal as well as when i run it as administrator. Whats the problem and what can i do.
Kind regards Yannick
P.S. Could you reply me please on the following adress: email@example.com. Much thanks.
04-10-2012, 05:01 PM
I can't run the configuration manager in Windows 7. I have tried as administrator but to no avail! Help please?
I get an error '429' if that helps? Saying I do not have permissions.
04-11-2012, 09:32 AM
Read this thread carefully.
04-14-2012, 11:43 AM
Read this thread carefully.
http://www.flightsim.com/vbfs/showthread.php?198487-727-Config-problems-Vista-64-bit/page2&highlight=429NO, This is what worked for me!
http://www.simforums.com/forums/errors-429-or-339-invalid-license-fix_topic16664.html Good ole Flight 1 eh?
04-14-2012, 01:51 PM
Thanks for the update. Guess we should get something pinned to the top of the forum.
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