View Full Version : Wayward AI cardinal RG
09-18-2003, 07:16 PM
Having great fun using my Dreamfleet as AI aircraft in FS2K2 with Josef's wonderful Trafficboard. But my Cardinal RG just wont behave on take-off. It veers off the runway to the right and takes off on the grass parallel to the runway. Behaves the same whatever the flight or departure airport. The fixed gear Cardinal behaves fine on the same flight. The RG is one of the few retractables I have that doesnt suffer from the famous AI 'invisible undercarriage' problem, so any ideas, anybody please ? Thanks.
09-18-2003, 10:13 PM
First, I wouldn't recomend using any complex aircraft, such as those done by Dreamfleet, or any other developer, as AI aircraft. They are far to complex, and will probably slow your system down considerably.
That said, I have no idea why it would vere off the runway. I know the Cardinal was not tested to be used for AI, so anything is possible. I can tell you that the reaon why you don't see the grear down on your other AI aircraft is because the aircraft with those problems are probably FSDS1 models. The visual model must have been made in gmax, or possibly FSDS2 in order for AI aircraft to taxi around with their gear down. Sorry I can't give you any good news, or the answer that I can assume you wanted to year.
09-19-2003, 12:02 AM
We state in our manuals that these aircraft are not designed for nor tested for use as AI aircraft, and we do not suggest their use as such, nor can we provide support for such use.
Ultimately, the flight dynamics are far too accruate / complex for such use. These aircraft need a real pilot at the controls. ;-)
09-19-2003, 07:32 PM
Thanks for the response. That was my first post, ever. Appreciate the bit about the complexity and frame rates, and Gmax models. All I can say is that the others that I have,- Cardinal, Golden Eagle, Archer and 310 do seem to work fine as AI. Frame rates are OK too, although this may have something to do with the small window I'm operating FS in,alongside "the other program that I mentioned", on my Toshiba notebook PC.My window setup might not be everyones choice but Im happy with it. I'm trying to attach JPEGS (has this worked ?) that show Charlie Mike as AI and giving me around 30 fps and Golden Eagle giving me a comfortable 14 fps with an airport and other AI's in the background. Sometimes I just like to watch them take off, fly and land rather than fly them. Guess I have to apologise to Lou for not reading the manual before asking about AI. Thanks again.
09-20-2003, 12:00 PM
No need to apologize Steve, but I always cover by tush by mentioning when we say things in the manual, as I'm the guy who writes the manuals! ;-)
09-20-2003, 05:04 PM
Thanks Lou. Appreciate the fleet isnt intended or supported for AI but I hope you wont shout at me if I say I intend to persevere. Simple fact is they're just so good to look at in the air. But you know that. I know FS has spot-plane view but its not quite the same.
However, things have moved on. I also have FS9 and thought I would try the yellow bird as AI in it to just see what happened. Never got that far ! I selected the default 'real pilot' start flight with the stock 172 lined up straight on the runway, then changed to the RG. Opened the throttle, and ........off she veered to the right, just as in my AI flights. Caught me by surprise but because I was 'left seat' I was able to correct with rudder. Tried the stock 172 and it went straight. Ah ! OK. Back to FS2k2 as 'real pilot' and the same test .....and the same result, - off to the right. Now I know planes swing on take-off as a reaction to the prop torque. And I know you said the flight dynamics were extremely accurate. So now I'm wondering, is this the reason ? However I'm also wondering why the others dont do the same. I've tested the 152 which I also have, and it just runs straight. Dont think there's anything wrong with the RG, I must just be missing something. Hmmm....where's me manual.......
09-20-2003, 05:19 PM
Sounds like you need to use C-0-M and either check or uncheck the alternate aircraft configuration, depending upon whether you use rudder pedals or not. Same as with the Archer. :-)
09-20-2003, 06:34 PM
Yessssssssssss !!!!!!!!!! :)
Thanks Lou. Absolutely brilliant. Solved in one go !
Cardinal RG take-offs - both 'real pilot' and AI, now straight as an arrow.
Now.......about this Skymaster.........YES PLEASE !
Best Regards :-wave
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