View Full Version : FMC flightplan depository...
...this must be an old topic to some people but...has anybody thought of setting up a web-based FMC flightplan page ?
That way we could just import a flight plan and be off in no time.
Just a thought
12-27-2001, 09:49 PM
It sure sounds like a good idea to me. I hope someone can do it.
12-27-2001, 10:40 PM
I'm going to do it I think... My dad's going to start saving his real world UAL flight plan printouts for me and I'll get em converted to the FS and FMC formats. Gonna take a little while to get it set up though.
12-28-2001, 12:26 PM
hi im right behind you on this one ...
im sure we are all sitting on flight plans that have taken us hours to perfect ...
so why dont we start sharing them .....
me and my big mouth i guess ill have to spend some time now perfecting my plans .......
12-29-2001, 05:18 AM
just bumping this up
cause i think its a great idea ......
especially for newbies since it would allow them to practice by actually seeing real flight plans already set up if you follow ...
the tutorial is fine but limiting
12-29-2001, 06:57 AM
I had a repository of FMC FP but with the patch started all over again, it takes time because each one is tested in VATSIM flights.
Tom sugestted that the FP should only contain the route and FL. My FP are only for Europe and they are using odd even route altitude not semi-circle altitude. That means that sometimes you have to change FL in the midle of the flight and the FMC fixed FL is not enough.
In Europe the RVSM is due at 24 of January so almost all FMC FP will be invalid :( .
Here it is an example from LPPR to EDDF:
TURON UP600 STG UN741 NTS NUN873 BONET UL976 VADOM UN858 UTELA/N0449F330 UN858 LUXIE UR110 NTM/N0419F230 R110 POBUD T180 EPINO
with initial FL350.
12-29-2001, 03:00 PM
hi im just bumping this agian since i feel it is a worthy question ...
wouldnt it be possible for dreamfleet themselves to form a route fmc plan bank ....
this could allow people to upload to this site in the same way that liveries can be downloaded as addons ...
the fmc is alarge part of the dreamfleet 737 prog and it deserves to be 'pushed ' as every bit as paint schemes imho
>wouldnt it be possible for dreamfleet
>themselves to form a route
>fmc plan bank ....
This is the right way to do it. Of course, we as users might not be seeing things the way DF is seeing things.
Jeff S KDTW
12-30-2001, 10:24 AM
Tom Main has indicated he would be willing to host these flightplans on the Flight1 website. Hopefully, he will poke his head in here and confirm this. At that time, you could probably email him with the plan.
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12-30-2001, 10:35 AM
hi there and three cheers for tom ......
im sure the ability to allow flight plans to be downloaded only adds and extra string to the dreamfleet bow .........
an extra plus point in a package full of pluses
Regarding RVSM in Europe, that alone will not make your flight plans invalid. First, most people don't know what it is, second it only effects flights above FL290, and finally, it will only effect enroute altitudes, with minimal impact on the routes. So a simple change in the MCP to a lower altitude by 1000 feet will be sufficient when it is required. Me, I'm not gonna trash my flight plans, It is business as usual. Besides, is the DF734 certified for RVSM?
12-30-2001, 06:19 PM
We can likley host this pretty easily. Basically, it can operate like a one way forum. Users could upload plans, with a description. Then, users can view a list, or do a search. Something like that. Then we could have one or two of you all as admins. Pretty simple and a few hours work to do.
I will look at this and post more here. It could be fun!
12-30-2001, 06:29 PM
I'm in! Let me know if I can pitch in...
12-30-2001, 11:37 PM
Make it three cheers for Lou, as I am the one who maintains the DF web site, and that, not the Flight One website is where the flight plans would appear.
Hey, I have to blow my own horn from time to time, eh? ;-)
Anyway, we'd be happy to host such plans at the DF site. Please keep me advised as to what you would like to do, and when, then we will set something up, just as we did with the liveries. :-)
My suggestion is to have 2 types of flight plans. The first one is regular MSFS2002 flightplan (which, if I am not mistaken do not have SIDs and STARs). However, the other waypoints could be similar so that we can fly by the FMC and still get the generic ATC support. Of course , the FMC plans would have all SIDs and STARs.
We could have each flight plan as a zipped file with BOTH types of plans. Of course, if you want to go FMC all the way all you have to do is to cancel IFR.
Additionally we could make flight plans organized into regions/continents/countries for easier search. Alternatively a search engine with EITHER ICAO or airport name.
Does this make sense to you folks ?
12-31-2001, 05:01 AM
Yes you are right RVSM don't make them invallid only the final FL will change.
BTW does anyone knows were I can find information about the odd even FL directions for the routes?
12-31-2001, 05:25 AM
Guys, this is a great idea, especially having plans that already include sids and stars would be a big plus. Cool...
12-31-2001, 05:42 AM
lets hear it ....
three CHEERS FOR LOU ...
HIP HIP HORAAH
HIP HIP HORAAH
HIP HIP HORAAH
i definately think that this idea is a winner since for a lot of people the idea of have to programme the fmc unit is pretty scary ( ok maybe not scary but quite a steep learning curve ) and so they probably dont use it ...a total waste .
for me the inclusion of the fmc was the main feature of dreamfleet 737 that i wanted .
and i dont think dreamfleet have shouted its praises loud enough imho.
so cheers again lou .
12-31-2001, 05:47 AM
I'm not sure if including the SIDs and STARs would be a good idea...
I have a list of a flightplan database from a large airline - and they DO NOT contain the SIDs and STARs.
Personally I like to fly with FS Meteo or any other real weather on my PC and that would cause some trouble if the downloaded flightplan has already selected SIDs and STARs.
I believe the real life operation is a database with waypoints that go from the first enroute waypoint to the last enroute waypoint a couple of miles away from the airports. This part of the flightplan is downloaded or taken from a database repository. The active runway and the active SIDs and STARs are manually selected by the crew just when setting up the FMC.
This is how I have safed all my flighplans.
Including already selected SIDs and STARs into the flighplans would realy ruin it for me.
Very funny Scotty...
Now beam down my clothes too!
01-01-2002, 09:29 AM
sorry ..im just bumping this cause i think its too important to simply die and for it to work it needs people input
a happy new year to you all
01-01-2002, 11:56 AM
I will be happy to help in anyway to get this up and running. I will try to get a bit of an idea handled shortly to "jump start" the plan data base. Won't say what it is just yet, but you will like it. Here are my thoughts on what the plans should contain.
1. Departure Airport
2. Destination Airport
3. Enroute Waypoints
4. File Named specifically for Airline
5. File Name to also include flight number
I think the inclusion of the runways, and SIDs and STARs would be a bit incorrect as weather, etc could change forcing a vast amount of plan rework. If we leave them out, then they can be easily selected back in when the weather for the flight is set up.
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01-01-2002, 12:04 PM
Great suggestions, Tom. I think this is the way the database should be done!
Very funny Scotty...
Now beam down my clothes too!
01-01-2002, 12:14 PM
My dad's flying a bunch of UAL flights over the next 5 days or so and he's saving all his flight plan and dispatch info for me! Granted, these are 757/767 domestic routes, but the majority of them should be do-able in the 734. Obviously, you're not gonna do a JFK-LAX trans-con run in one, but the shorter flights like LAX-DEN, DEN-LGA, DEN-ORD, etc should be very easy to do.
01-01-2002, 02:54 PM
Having a repository of flightplans would also help new people with the learning curve, as long as the flightplan was tested and retested. I'm still having problems with the FMC VNAV disengaging sporadically.
Roy "Turnip" Hyland
01-01-2002, 03:24 PM
Just one question. The plan name what do you prefer:
Airport ICAO like "lppd lppt.fmc"
or city name like "PDelgada Lisboa.fmc"
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