!!! !!! RTW Race ( PRACTICE STILL GOING ON) Thread 4 !!! !!!

[capn_sonic]

Continued from Thread 3

See thread 3 here:http://www.flightsim.com/dcforum/DCForumID30/173.html
See thread 2 here: http://www.flightsim.com/dcforum/DCForumID30/157.html
See Thread 1 here:http://www.flightsim.com/dcforum/DCForumID30/145.html
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Turning toward UATT...just trying to keep an airport in range.
Someone let me know if I'm going about this all wrong.

gcurtiss

[gcurtiss]

Better wind push and a little further out in this barren Siberian vastness. ;)

[gcurtiss]

Couldn't find another airport east!

Lesson learned, I guess.

[RFields]

Are we still headed east?

UNOO - Tsentralny - at Omsk is 587.7 nm away

[RFields]

Taking off at 0113 UTC

Alternates if I run into headwinds are UA0E and UA0B - two good other airports, but not in stock FS2004 :-(

[RFields]

1 hr into flight - 260 nm / 38 min to go

[RFields]

Took baton at 053148 UTC - He's having trouble posting

[sclathrop]

Following the 4:00 am arrival at UNBB I am not able to reply to the message thread... to run with the Baton

[sclathrop]

So I have the Baton UNBB to UIBB UTC 20:40 Beech Starship

[sclathrop]

Flight Log -- from The RTW-Duenna v.0.600 Rev. 43
-----------------------------------------------------------

Takeoff:
System Time UTC: 18/02/2005 09:00:11
FS Time: 17/02/2005 13:59:33
Aircraft gross weight: 13714.6 lbs
Location: N53° 21.496' / E83° 31.545'
Airport: UNBB 0.6nm
Valid: VALIDATED

Enroute:
Aircraft: [T2] Beech Starship
Aircraft-Reference: Vne=385kts, Vcruise=335kts
Max. groundspeed: 404.2 kts
Max. IAS: 345.1 kts
Average IAS: 224.3 kts
Average Head/Tailwind: +14.6 kts
Max. altitude: 39638 ft
Flight aborted: no
Time in overspeed: 133.4 secs.
Error count: 0
Valid: VALIDATED

Landing:
System Time UTC: 18/02/2005 11:01:02
FS Time: 17/02/2005 17:52:14
Aircraft gross weight: 12419.5 lbs
Location: N56° 22.219' / E101° 42.024'
Airport: UIBB 0.6nm
Valid: VALIDATED

Errors:


Summary:
Direct distance: 650.9 nm
Flight time: 02:00:51
Baton time: 02:01:18
Average GS: 322.8 kts
Valid: VALIDATED

Flight Simulator: FS2004
Crash-Tolerance-Setting: 0.000
FSUIPC: 3.450
Validation-ID: 57A 0F6 52A (Rev. 1)


Validation-Graphic: C:\Program Files\FS-Addons\RTW-Duenna\OUTPUT\2005-02-18\FlightLog_06-01-17.JPG
(just copy the above path+file into your forum-attachment field.)

This file was created on 18/02/2005 11:01:22 UTC

[gcurtiss]

UTC 13:33

[gcurtiss]

First time....hopefully the last.

[gcurtiss]

Might have to redirect if winds don't cooperate.

UTC 13:52

[gcurtiss]

150nm out.

Wind is a little better at 18,000.

Gonna put her down safe, but this one might be a little over time.

[JohnMueller]

Hi Steve
I see the problem + where it's comming from, I don't think Ed can do much about it :).

Your attachment is called:
h t t p : / / www.flightsim.com/dcforum/User_files/CDocumentsandSettingsAdministratorMyDocumentsMyPicturesFlightSimScreenCapaturesRTW_UNBB_to_UIBB.j pg
(sorry, had to add some spaces)

If you look at the name and at the other names of the files attached here, you should see it: You probably posted the path+name of the picture directly into the attachment field instead of clicking on "Click here to choose your file" and then posting your file name in the new window. If you do it this way (not like your did first), your attachment will be uploaded to the forum and then automaticaly added to the attachment-field in your posting.

Not really a big thing :) and very easy to confuse (got me the first times as well).

See you in the race!
John

[JohnMueller]

Hi guys, you're doing GREAT!! Wow, those flights through Russia, I've about had it with the snow just on the way to work and back :). I hope we get to hit some warmer areas during the race.

When I look back at the flights, besides the breaks inbetween the flights (which will dissapear once we really get going in the race, I know it!), the main problem we've seen is crashing on arrival, the usual "no-nerves" problem :) (at least for me - fly 2 hours and try to save 5 minutes by forcing the plane down... no no no). We've landed many different aircraft in lots of new places, met up with quirks in the FS, people flying online, offline, wierd weather and nice places. Hey! we've shown we can all fly and land, we can post our validation picture or at least the text - what more do we need?!

Another note for those from the multiplayer-forum here :) - FFJV (Juneau Valley) doesn't exist in default FS9, therefore it is not a valid handoff-place ;).

Just for your information: the full rules will be disclosed in less than 24 hours, we should have a certified aircraft list then as well. Until then, let's just "chill out", take it easy, practice at the limits of your aircraft or just head out for a virtual visit to some southern island, adjust those panels (avionics-upgrades are really easy with the FS, add a HUD to your P38, no problem), grab some sleep, tell your family bye-bye for the next week, take the dog out for a walk and enjoy the high-resolution real-life-sunsets, read a book...

You can also find some interesting real-life RTW accounts at these sites, they make interesting reading and show you all the things you'll miss by taking the FS instead of going IRL:
http://www.worldrounders.com (general website + links)
http://www.godlywings.ch (in a C185)
http://www.virginatlanticglobalflyer.com/ (soon to start, probably faster than we'll be ;))
http://www.earthrounders.com/meunierstory.html
http://www.the-flight.com/ (in a motor glider)
http://www.millenniumflight.com/ (long EZ)
http://www.aopa.org/pilot/features/inflight9907.html (just in case)

Where's this?
http://www.godlywings.ch/worldtour/japan/pics/1383/08betweenjapanalaska.jpg

John

[salt_air]

Hey All,

I'd like to bring out a few points here. We are all pretty sure we can win this event. I'm one who has thought so from the time I first read about it. But no one will really know who is going to win untill it's done. There is, however, one thing that I do know and that is that we do have the best team out there. I've flown with most of you and talked(email and TS) to even more. We have a super bunch of pilots, flightsim experts, some I'm sure Microsoft would like to have working for them, computer experts(in a lot of different areas), guys that will do anything to help a total stranger out a the drop of a hat, guys from all over the planet. I'd like to thank each and every one of you for all that you've done to help this team to win. I don't want to step on any toes here, but I'd like to raise a glass to one of us who's really poured what I feel is a tremendous amount of time and energy toward the cause. Folks, I'd like to offer my vote, right now, for the MVP of the FlightSim.com Team. ,,,,,,,, John Mueller.

John, you da man, we can all take note of your last post and the outline for the race there. Let's all have a great time together. Just do the same things we aways do when we are flying. Use our heads to think of ways to relax, and enjoy what little time we have to spend doing what we all love to do. John's points are correct. Yeah, it's a race, but let's not stub our toes, lets just go fast and keep moving till the "whistle blows",,,,,don't stop, that's the real key. John's said it, and so have others and I think we all know it too. Might not be a bad idea to plan a leg that's a little bit shorter than 2 hours(just in case,go-arounds,headwinds,etc.) and instead of looking for an airport at the last minute to divert to with little time, you can relax and enjoy the flight(still go fast) and spend your energy nailing a safe landing and quick baton exchange. Remember the tortoise and the hare? I'll see you all at the race if not before. Let's go out there and have a great time "spanking" BOTH of the other teams' rear-ends and placing the trophy with FlightSim.com.

Best of luck to each and everyone of us,

Austin

[RFields]

I know where - but what is a small GA aircraft doing out there in the middle of nowhere between Honshu and Adak.

Where is the HF transmitter? The twin Garmin 430's are nice, but you only use 121.500 out that far to hope someone else can hear you as you get ready to go swimming. I see they have waypoints setup to report in each hour.

But their VOR1 is still set on the Ashikawa frequency - a few hundred miles behind them.

[apollosmith]

I'll second that! A big thanks to John for coordinating so much of what's been happening. Having been in the race twice before, I can attest that the most important thing is to have fun. Let's not let the competition get the best of us and force us into doing stupid things that may cost us. On the other hand, we have a very talented group of pilots that have the ability to win this thing.

Go Team FlightSim!!!

Jared "Smitty" Smith

[apollosmith]

And also to remind everyone of the rules regarding crashes. If you crash, you must state that you have done so. The next person may then take the baton from the airport you departed from. OR, you may start again from the airport you departed from, but your 2-hour time limit does not reset. The two-hour time limit counts for the total time you have the baton (including time used before your computer crash).

So, if you crash on takeoff, you must post to the forum that you did and then can takeoff again, but will have less time to fly. If you crash on landing (please don't - pretty please), then it's probably going to be best for someone else to take the baton as your 2-hour limit will likely be about gone.

Jared "Smitty" Smith

[RFields]

I have the Baton at UERR - heading for UEEE UTC 0708

[RFields]

Top of climb @ 27000 - 202KIAS 281GS 1hr20 min fm UEEE - 360 nm - winds aloft 045/16

[RFields]

180 degree winds shift now 287 / 13

[RFields]

60 miles out descending about 15-20 min from touchdown - weather looks bad 3/4 vis but no wind - no ILS at this field only an NDB

Plenty of time will plan one fly by / go around to see how bad the soup is.

[oblio]

There aren't any short hops from UEEE, so I'm pretending the baton is in KPIA. Sorry for the discontinuity, but my goal right now is just to try the forum posting process.

[oblio]

The Duenna says my destination was 2ORD instead of KORD. I have no idea how that happened.

[oblio]

Flying the P-38.

[RFields]

The problem experienced above with 2ORD is most likely an overlay AFCAD. I don't know how the judges would rule - in that case I'd suspect the flight would be legal because it's obviously from O'Hare.

Everyone needs to be very careul about having extra AFCAD files and add-on scenery.

When flying across Russia, I had to go into my AFCAD folder (FS2004) and remove all my AFCAD files for Russia - because I had many from Avsim.RU for airports which are NOT in the default FS.

Landing at any of those airports would make my flight illegal.

Since I'll be flying on-line much of the time - I have temporarily moved all my AI aircraft (about 12GB) and disabled most of my add-on scenery, including my extra AFCAD files.

I won't be using those things during the race, but can have everything back next weekend just fine.

[seehunt]

Taking the Baton from KAZO to KLPR. flying the F4U

[seehunt]

Taking the baton from KAZO to KLPR....flying the F4U
UTC is 2:35

[RFields]

UEEE-UHMM is 621 NM
from there possibly UHPP-PASY-PADU=PADQ (478 - 566 - 695 - 526 nm legs)
or 1300nm leg UHMM-PABE (or PAOM);
UHMM-UHMA-POAM requires an 800nm and 432nm legs

however, we can definitely fly in better weather today, shorter legs and practice more landings.

and practice passing the BATON quickly and correctly

I think we might need those more than speed runs

I beiieve we have tested speed runs pretty well so far.

[seehunt]

The Baton is free !

[gcurtiss]

UTC 15:14

Climbing for FL270

Headed for KORF - Norfolk, VA

[gcurtiss]

Cruising at FL270

Winds are 312/100+ knots for almost a dead-on tailwind = 402 knot GS in my 441 Conquest.

325nm out of KORF - ETA about 16:25 UTC

-------------------------------------------------------

Update:

Now 170nm out - winds still holding for 400+ GS

[gcurtiss]

Or we're moving back to KAZO.

I can circle a little seeing as I have time and fuel, but it'd be nice to save the time. I'm only about 25 minutes out of KORF.

[seehunt]

You'll need to start anew as i had problems with the flight analysis page and could not post it.

seehunt

[gcurtiss]

about 8 minutes I'll be down

[oblio]

During the race you need to make that known right away. gcurtiss just wasted a couple of hours flying a leg that is now invalid.

[gcurtiss]

Due to seehunt's trouble with posting validation. No problems, we'll get it worked out before tomorrow.

Back to KAZO if we're sticking to race rules for now.

[gcurtiss]

going to KLPR

UTC 16:42

[RFields]

FINAL RULES HAVE BEEN POSTED - BIG CHANGES - START POINT HECA - Cairo Egypt

http://mw0.ath.cx/%7Ematt/RTW/rules.htm

[JohnMueller]

Wow. These rules are really freaky - look at all those options :)

Discussion, planing, ideas are all in our private forum at
http://johannesmueller.com/fsforum
If you're not signed up already, please do so and join Team FlightSim!! GO TEAM!!!

Thanks guys!
John

[seehunt]

Flying the Piper Cub. UTC 09:31

[seehunt]

UTC is 10:10

[Swi_Tzer]

Hi seehunt,

Nice try :-)! Though the flight has to be at last minimum 1 hour of... flight... well not really: one hour between "i have" and "i am landed" post stamp.
If too difficult to fly or not good airports in sight, the flight itself could be shorter (i think)... :-), just make shure you post "in time". But at last you have to choose another airport to land than that one you departed, cause the rules says it.

see you in the race
Pascal

[oblio]

As I interpret the rules, the one hour minimum baton possession only applies to one flight in each of the historical aircraft listed in the rules, not every leg in the entire race.

Oblio

[Swi_Tzer]

Hi there,
Yes, I think the 1hr rule applies for only (but all) historical aircraft. Isn't the Piper Cub one of them?

Pascal

[apollosmith]

The one hour minimum applies to ALL of the historical aircraft. Each historical aircraft must be flown once.

I suppose that if we flew the same historical aircraft more than once, then the one hour minimum would not apply, but why would we want to do this? There are a few hundred aircraft that are going to be faster and better suited for the hops than the historical aircraft.

Jared "Smitty" Smith

[RFields]

On the ground at 0307 UTC
Flight Log -- from The RTW-Duenna v.0.600 Rev. 43
-----------------------------------------------------------

Takeoff:
System Time UTC: 18/02/2005 01:13:08
FS Time: 18/02/2005 06:11:28
Aircraft gross weight: 12933.2 lbs
Location: N51° 04.494' / E58° 36.955'
Airport: UWOR 0.8nm
Valid: VALIDATED

Enroute:
Aircraft: [T2] Cripple Creek
Aircraft-Reference: Vne=270kts, Vcruise=310kts
Max. groundspeed: 411.2 kts
Max. IAS: 233.0 kts
Average IAS: 191.3 kts
Average Head/Tailwind: +30.4 kts
Max. altitude: 39549 ft
Flight aborted: no
Time in overspeed: 0.0 secs.
Error count: 0
Valid: VALIDATED

Landing:
System Time UTC: 18/02/2005 03:07:17
FS Time: 18/02/2005 09:00:45
Aircraft gross weight: 11605.1 lbs
Location: N54° 57.981' / E73° 18.258'
Airport: UNOO 0.8nm
Valid: VALIDATED

Errors:


Summary:
Direct distance: 577.8 nm
Flight time: 01:54:09
Baton time: 01:54:28
Average GS: 304.1 kts
Valid: VALIDATED

Flight Simulator: FS2004
Crash-Tolerance-Setting: 1.000
FSUIPC: 3.450
Validation-ID: 706 0A4 C85 (Rev. 1)


Validation-Graphic: C:\Program Files\FS-Addons\RTW-Duenna\OUTPUT\2005-02-17\FlightLog_21-07-20.JPG
(just copy the above path+file into your forum-attachment field.)

This file was created on 18/02/2005 03:07:23 UTC

[RFields]

Oops - it's practice - three good flights but two went down on landing.

Using oblio's validation for this leg - he's having posting issues and will e-mail Duenna .txt and .jpg to me. I'll post them in about 6 hours,

or you can fly the leg if you wish.

Flight Log -- from RTW-Duenna v.0.610 R44
-----------------------------------------------------------

Takeoff:
System Time UTC: 18/02/2005 05:35:27
FS Time: 18/02/2005 06:33:52
Aircraft gross weight: 17868.6 lbs
Location: N54° 58.293' / E73° 19.784'
Airport: UNOO 0.8nm
Valid: VALIDATED

Enroute:
Aircraft: [P2] P-38H-5 Lightning w/ tanks
Aircraft-Reference: Vne=430kts, Vcruise=340kts
Max./Avg. Groundspeed: 460.3 kts / 318.4 kts
Max. IAS: 333.5 kts
Average IAS: 214.6 kts
Average Head/Tailwind: +28.8 kts
Max. altitude: 36998 ft
Flight aborted: no
Time in overspeed: 0.0 secs.
Error count: 0
Valid: VALIDATED

Landing:
System Time UTC: 18/02/2005 06:45:33
FS Time: 18/02/2005 08:41:48
Aircraft gross weight: 16441.7 lbs
Location: N53° 22.045' / E83° 33.381'
Airport: UNBB 0.8nm
Valid: VALIDATED

Errors:


Summary:
Direct distance: 371.5 nm
Flight time: 01:10:06
Baton time: 01:10:48
Average GS: 318.4 kts
Valid: VALIDATED

Flight Simulator: FS2004
Crash-Tolerance-Setting: 1.000
FSUIPC: 3.450
Validation-ID: 10C 0B7 D82 (Rev. 1)


Validation-Graphic:
C:\Program
Files\FS-Addons\RTW-Duenna\OUTPUT\2005-02-18\FlightLog_00-45-47.JPG
(just copy the above path+file into your forum-attachment field.)

This file was created on 18/02/2005 06:45:49 UTC Created by RTW-Duenna - http://johannesmueller.com/duenna - (c) Johannes Mueller

[RFields]

Baton is free at UEEE at 0904 UTC

Landed safely on Rwy 5R - one planned go around to check out low visibility - used a lot of runway on landing but smooth.

____________________________________________________________
Flight Log -- from The RTW-Duenna v.0.600 Rev. 43
-----------------------------------------------------------

Takeoff:
System Time UTC: 19/02/2005 07:07:57
FS Time: 19/02/2005 16:08:41
Aircraft gross weight: 9600.1 lbs
Location: N62° 31.616' / E114° 00.752'
Airport: UERR 0.7nm
Valid: VALIDATED

Enroute:
Aircraft: [T2] Flight One Conquest 441 N441P Blue
Aircraft-Reference: Vne=0kts, Vcruise=0kts
Max. groundspeed: 309.8 kts
Max. IAS: 241.0 kts
Average IAS: 185.4 kts
Average Head/Tailwind: -6.7 kts
Max. altitude: 27300 ft
Flight aborted: no
Time in overspeed: 0.0 secs.
Error count: 0
Valid: VALIDATED

Landing:
System Time UTC: 19/02/2005 09:04:19
FS Time: 19/02/2005 18:02:11
Aircraft gross weight: 8581.9 lbs
Location: N62° 05.829' / E129° 46.860'
Airport: UEEE 0.7nm
Valid: VALIDATED

Errors:


Summary:
Direct distance: 439.3 nm
Flight time: 01:56:22
Baton time: 01:57:54
Average GS: 225.3 kts
Valid: VALIDATED

Flight Simulator: FS2004
Crash-Tolerance-Setting: 1.000
FSUIPC: 3.450
Validation-ID: 421 0A5 B1F (Rev. 1)


Validation-Graphic: C:\Program Files\FS-Addons\RTW-Duenna\OUTPUT\2005-02-19\FlightLog_03-05-32.JPG
(just copy the above path+file into your forum-attachment field.)

This file was created on 19/02/2005 09:05:36 UTC
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[seehunt]

Testing uploads

[seehunt]

Flight analysis

[sclathrop]

LJ922,
Hope you get a chance to contact me... I was unable to up load my Duenna jpg file last night (4:00am est)....???..!!! File size was 85 so met the under 100 size requirement... At least placed the Text of Duenna in forum... Will try to find you later today to discuss problematic possibilities... Eventually made a partial capture using Snag-It then opened in PaintShop Pro and cropped out my Desktop stuff to lower file size from Snag-It. Don't want to run into this type of problem during RTW... Also was unable to log into forum from link with flight sim private site... Had to log out of private site and log into flight sim from Favorites link... Your thoughts please and or suggestions???

[gcurtiss]

Not a real efficient run, but got 'er further east, I guess.:)

[gcurtiss]

this would equal a 30 minute penalty in the race. Yuck.

Things I could have done better:
Carried too much fuel
Didn't have wind report
Had to go around - dimly lit, no ILS

Better than crashing, but definitely not desirable. I guess that's why we're out here practicing!

[gcurtiss]

Free at KLPR - Lorain Cty Regional

[oblio]

Flight Log -- from RTW-Duenna v.0.610 R44
-----------------------------------------------------------

Takeoff:
System Time UTC: 19/02/2005 10:52:15
FS Time: 19/02/2005 06:34:52
Aircraft gross weight: 17834.7 lbs
Location: N40° 39.269' / W89° 41.656'
Airport: KPIA 0.6nm
Valid: VALIDATED

Enroute:
Aircraft: [P2] P-38H-5 Lightning w/ tanks
Aircraft-Reference: Vne=430kts, Vcruise=340kts
Max./Avg. Groundspeed: 357.9 kts / 234.9 kts
Max. IAS: 256.1 kts
Average IAS: 190.2 kts
Average Head/Tailwind: +11.0 kts
Max. altitude: 20551 ft
Flight aborted: no
Time in overspeed: 0.0 secs.
Error count: 0
Valid: VALIDATED

Landing:
System Time UTC: 19/02/2005 11:21:32
FS Time: 19/02/2005 07:03:45
Aircraft gross weight: 17367.8 lbs
Location: N41° 59.304' / W87° 54.391'
Airport: 2ORD 0.6nm
Valid: VALIDATED

Errors:
19.02.2005 05:21:51 Error retrieving URL 'http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gcmap?marker=1&MAP-STYLE=popup&PATH=KPIA-2ORD'
19.02.2005 05:21:51 Size of chart graphic is less than 2kb, possibly bad


Summary:
Direct distance: 113.5 nm
Flight time: 00:29:17
Baton time: 00:31:03
Average GS: 234.9 kts
Valid: VALIDATED

Flight Simulator: FS2004
Crash-Tolerance-Setting: 1.000
FSUIPC: 3.450
Validation-ID: 45D 010 3A3 (Rev. 1)


Validation-Graphic:
C:\Program Files\FS-Addons\RTW-Duenna\OUTPUT\2005-02-19\FlightLog_05-21-41.JPG
(just copy the above path+file into your forum-attachment field.)

This file was created on 19/02/2005 11:21:54 UTC
Created by RTW-Duenna - http://johannesmueller.com/duenna - (c) Johannes Mueller

[oblio]

Flight Log -- from RTW-Duenna v.0.610 R44
-----------------------------------------------------------

Takeoff:
System Time UTC: 19/02/2005 11:43:56
FS Time: 19/02/2005 07:19:13
Aircraft gross weight: 17357.0 lbs
Location: N41° 59.399' / W87° 55.969'
Airport: 2ORD 1.4nm
Valid: VALIDATED

Enroute:
Aircraft: [P2] P-38H-5 Lightning w/ tanks
Aircraft-Reference: Vne=430kts, Vcruise=340kts
Max./Avg. Groundspeed: 356.6 kts / 183.5 kts
Max. IAS: 305.7 kts
Average IAS: 246.9 kts
Average Head/Tailwind: +8.4 kts
Max. altitude: 11537 ft
Flight aborted: no
Time in overspeed: 0.0 secs.
Error count: 0
Valid: VALIDATED

Landing:
System Time UTC: 19/02/2005 12:18:00
FS Time: 19/02/2005 08:53:01
Aircraft gross weight: 16811.8 lbs
Location: N42° 14.165' / W85° 33.038'
Airport: KAZO 1.4nm
Valid: VALIDATED

Errors:
19.02.2005 06:18:12 Error retrieving URL 'http://gc.kls2.com/cgi-bin/gcmap?marker=1&MAP-STYLE=popup&PATH=2ORD-KAZO'
19.02.2005 06:18:12 Size of chart graphic is less than 2kb, possibly bad


Summary:
Direct distance: 107.0 nm
Flight time: 00:34:04
Baton time: 00:34:28
Average GS: 183.5 kts
Valid: VALIDATED

Flight Simulator: FS2004
Crash-Tolerance-Setting: 1.000
FSUIPC: 3.450
Validation-ID: 631 013 0EE (Rev. 1)


Validation-Graphic:
C:\Program Files\FS-Addons\RTW-Duenna\OUTPUT\2005-02-19\FlightLog_06-18-11.JPG
(just copy the above path+file into your forum-attachment field.)

This file was created on 19/02/2005 12:18:15 UTC
Created by RTW-Duenna - http://johannesmueller.com/duenna - (c) Johannes Mueller