Swastika

[argueman]

I just downloaded the Il-2 Sturmovik demo. Why is it that no developers put swastikas on Luftwaffe aircraft? Any Ideas?

Argueman

[JonP01]

Many would find it offensive and even more would simply consider it very poor taste.

[Biff]

The publishers are German, and there are very strict laws in that country preventing depiction of such right wing symbolism. A publisher like Ubisoft is wise in their decision to play it safe.

However from a purist point of view I find this unsatisfying as well. Taste is an arbitrary thing and it leaves a lot of room for debate. Some people are offended just by the word Luftwaffe. Others argue that the red star on the Russian planes is also a symbol for a horrifying regime which has murdered countless individuals. I feel it is best to leave politics and taste out of it and stick to realism as the guideline in a historical aviation simulation.

The IL2 Resource center has some skins with authentic tail markings. Check out these BF109s:
http://il2.dogfighter.com/aircraft_bf109_2.htm

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[ILYUSHIN_IL62]

LAST EDITED ON Oct-14-01 AT 05:30PM (EDT)[p]I find the designers hypocritical! they are posting Former USSR symbols! I lived in USSR back in 1980's and was born there so I find things like Hammer & Sickle/Red Star offensive to me. they should be regulated just as the Swastika has. They (USSR) caused me alot of grief pain and suffering, I am trying to put that part of my life behind me! :)

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[alastairmonk]

I think its less hypocracy, and more bowing to political pressure. The same thing happened to model kits a couple of years ago, with the WW2 German planes being supplied without Swastikas. Personally, I favour accurate representation, so if the original sported Swastikas or Hammer & Sickle symbols, then the representation should as well.

Given that the Swastika was originally an Eastern peace symbol hijacked by the Nazis, its not always a good idea to dwell too much on the symbolism. There were numerous symbols used by both regimes, and you won't be able to ban all of them.

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[Erick_Cantu]

Somethimes I think my parents are Soviets...:-lol

Nice t'hear from ya Derek...

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[mk116]

It's not hypocrisy. It's quite simply illegal to sell anything with a Swastika in Germany.

MK

[Donmo]

The same thing happens in my other hobby which is plastic modeling. The swastika is sometimes in 2 pieces on the decal sheet so not to offend the countries that may be affected by the "meaning" of it. To me, I want to see it and the red star and all of it, purely because of historical value. The world must be able to seperate the two things. I surely hate what they stand for, but realize the difference between history and being offended.
Don Moser

[ILYUSHIN_IL62]

Yeah, I agree with Alister and Donmo, I understand that they are just symbols, but still, I would rather have the... Red Star on a WW2 Soviet YAK or something, but I do realise that it is better to be accurate rather then 'Fake' looking, and The designers are not Neo Nazi's or Neo-Communism people. P.S. Nice to hear from ya too Erick, (GET ON ICQ ONCE an Awhile!) :D

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[Whistler]

Like some other people said it is because they are illegal in Germany. I am one of the people that thinks they should be in the game, I like it to be realistic. The law is the law though. It shouldn't be that hard to add them yourself, apparently it is VERY easy to paint planes in Il-2.

[spotlope]

Bear in mind though that any repaints you do will show up in multiplayer, but not in single play. That said, you can set up a multiplayer mission and be the only live human in the game, so it isn't too much of a drawback.

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